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Re: Angular 2.0 Website

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Post by sergiotapia »

grumblestumble wrote: post #38

This is a bit of a rant, but anyway... There are currently two posts on Angular on the front page of HN. Both have quickly devolved into multiple rants decrying "breaking changes", which can be traced back to the initial Angular 2.0 announcement: http://angularjs.blogspot.com/2014/10/ng-europe-angular-13-a... This really speaks to the importance of communication around these announcements. If you pay attention to wha…

I understand where you're coming from - but that singular announcement left a TERRIBLE taste in my mouth for Angular. I won't use it for any project, hobby or otherwise.

Compare it to Ember where they are bending over backwards to provide free improvements and a sane backwards compatible approach.

Why bet your entire business on a framework that has such poor communication skills? (Again: Assuming what you're saying is correct ;) )

Re: Angular 2.0 Website

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Post by chc »

ffn wrote: post #24
mooredinty wrote: post #12

Angular is the new PHP... Queue the haters

Piggy-backing off of this, here's my short list of if-js-framework-were-languages: angular = php : obtuse and a little nonsensical at times, yet by far the most popular tool out there in industry. ember = ruby : highly decorative and alluring, and it's even built by refugees of rails react = haskell : esoteric, functional, and strange enough to come with its own dialect of js; it's literally the framework built for f…

jQuery = C seems a bit odd. AFAIK none of those other frameworks are built off jQuery, though Angular supports working with it. Many are actually hard to integrate with jQuery.

Re: Angular 2.0 Website

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Post by gnulnx »

Wait, what? This is AngularJS? I'm a SysAdmin / DevOps guy that has recently taken up Web Development, spending the last year or so getting neck deep in AngularJS.

This looks and feels entirely different, and I don't care to start from scratch.

Re: Angular 2.0 Website

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Post by themoonbus »

netinstructions wrote: post #39
themoonbus wrote: post #35

Interesting... their language really seems geared towards pitching Angular as a rapid-prototyping tool. They explicitly mention UX designers, but not developers: "Express your ideas with clean, understandable code. Angular is simple to build on, easy to change, and friendly to the way UX designers work. Create a UI that is beautiful by default, with material design and support for web components."

Shouldn't we be rapid-prototyping our ideas? Isn't that what "hackers" do often? "Hack" something together and then iterate like mad, failing fast on bad ideas and moving forward with the good ones? I think a lot of us already see AngularJS as a development framework. A big part of developing something is also UX design. Do you have UX designers on your development team? I know that I do, and I can help sell Angular…

Of course you should! I am a UX designer (sort of)! In fact, the only time I've used Angular was when I used the Ionic framework to create a proof-of-concept to test with users.

I was just commenting on the fact that they are marketing it as such. Previously, they didn't really seem to use such language.

I think it's a great move on their part, and it seems like it's a useful tool for rapid prototyping.

Re: Angular 2.0 Website

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Post by rezistik »

gnulnx wrote: post #43

Wait, what? This is AngularJS? I'm a SysAdmin / DevOps guy that has recently taken up Web Development, spending the last year or so getting neck deep in AngularJS. This looks and feels entirely different, and I don't care to start from scratch.

You don't really have to start from scratch.

Angular 1.* will be around for awhile. It won't simply stop working. Eventually they'll stop adding new features, and eventually they'll stop fixing bugs. I don't know what the timeline is for that but it's far from immediate.

Re: Angular 2.0 Website

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Post by gnulnx »

rezistik wrote: post #45
gnulnx wrote: post #43

Wait, what? This is AngularJS? I'm a SysAdmin / DevOps guy that has recently taken up Web Development, spending the last year or so getting neck deep in AngularJS. This looks and feels entirely different, and I don't care to start from scratch.

You don't really have to start from scratch. Angular 1.* will be around for awhile. It won't simply stop working. Eventually they'll stop adding new features, and eventually they'll stop fixing bugs. I don't know what the timeline is for that but it's far from immediate.

What I meant by that is, 2.x looks so different from 1.x, that it feels like something new.

Re: Angular 2.0 Website

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Post by grumblestumble »

sergiotapia wrote: post #41
grumblestumble wrote: post #38

This is a bit of a rant, but anyway... There are currently two posts on Angular on the front page of HN. Both have quickly devolved into multiple rants decrying "breaking changes", which can be traced back to the initial Angular 2.0 announcement: http://angularjs.blogspot.com/2014/10/ng-europe-angular-13-a... This really speaks to the importance of communication around these announcements. If you pay attention to wha…

I understand where you're coming from - but that singular announcement left a TERRIBLE taste in my mouth for Angular. I won't use it for any project, hobby or otherwise. Compare it to Ember where they are bending over backwards to provide free improvements and a sane backwards compatible approach. Why bet your entire business on a framework that has such poor communication skills? (Again: Assuming what you're saying…

Yeah, very valid point. Ember's outward communications are a really good model of how to deal with this stuff - unfortunately I just can't imagine myself working with the framework. The thing I find most hilarious is that the followup to the "OMG Angular 2.0 is making breaking changes" herdthink is usually "Let's all move to React 0.12!".
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