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Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

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Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#21

Does our world have even one country that is not awful but at least passable? (Preferrably one you can actually live in?) The shrinking life space makes me contemplate suicide.

If you're actually contemplating suicide (and just making an insensitive joke), you should talk to someone bro.

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#22
Here's the section of the law that he was charged under:

False statements, evasion of duties

153. No person shall

(b) to avoid compliance with this Act or the regulations, (i) destroy, alter, mutilate, secrete or dispose of records or books of account, (ii) make, or participate in, assent to or acquiesce in the making of, false or deceptive entries in records or books of account, or (iii) omit, or participate in, assent to or acquiesce in the omission of, a material particular from records or books of account;

I'm not a lawyer, but I would be pretty dismayed if a court agrees that this covers withholding a password.

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#23

Where's the line? If you give them your lock screen PIN can they then request your bank app password? The credentials for your work VPN?

There is no line, except perhaps for the first one. This is why so many of us are totally against crossing that first line and giving up passwords. After that, tis a very steep, slippery slope indeed.

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#24

Customs officials forcing you to unlock your phone is not just an invasion of privacy - it's a pointless invasion of privacy. Customs agents don't even know where to start in finding data that a user wants hidden. Even if allowed access to personal devices, data is slippery enough that it could be stored in almost anything. Here's yet another example of taking away rights in a way that does nothing to deter actual cr…

I suspect that the people they're trying to catch by doing these searches (pedophiles, illegal workers) are generally too stupid or lazy to bother hiding their data. At least, that seems to be the case when watching Border Security. They do actually catch a lot of people this way.

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#25

Does our world have even one country that is not awful but at least passable? (Preferrably one you can actually live in?) The shrinking life space makes me contemplate suicide.

I understand that feeling too. I feel like the digital world is becoming extremely claustrophobic, and I'm beginning to feel paranoid since the wikileaks and Snowden leaks.

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#26
post #8

Smartphones should have optional extra user accounts, with no indication of whether they exist. Same phone number, but the account you use is the one that records the history. Keep one mostly clean and that's the one you unlock.

Android 5.0 does. It's actually quite hidden and I only found out about it by mistake when playing with my new update (although I remembered Google announced it earlier after that, but had forgotten about it).

More operating systems should be doing this, including desktop ones. Windows makes multiple accounts too obvious.

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#28
"Under the Customs Act, customs officers are allowed to inspect things that you have, that you're bringing into the country,"

- Here's my phone, sir. - I see it has a password, give me the password. - Mhhh... OK. It is 1234. - Oh, I see you have Dropbox app installed. I need the Dropbox password. - Mhhh... OK. It is 5678. - Oh I see you have a GPG encrypted file in Dropbox. I will need to decrypt that. Give me the password. - Mhhh... I can't... It's encrypted with a public key and I don't have the private key on me. - Ok, boys! Take this guy! He is clearly obstructing.

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#29
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing they knew the text messages existed before they requested to see the phone.

No, they did not know it existed. I'm sure they suspected something (no idea why), but they just pulled over her entire family's car, and did a blanket search. She was on H1B, so she lost her job and had to fly back to Asia with nothing except the clothes she packed for a weekend road trip to Canada.

They're not going to tell that they already had them (with everyone elses' communications gathered) and then reviewed them.

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

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post #10
post #7

The idea of nations and borders is one the time for has passed. I personally don't care what invisible, made-up lines you were born within or without. Do you?

This sounds more like a platitude than a thought I can actually agree or disagree with. What does it even mean? You want to abolish rule of law? You want everybody to be ruled by the Communist Party of China (now the Community Party of The World)? You just want everybody to behave the way you imagine people ought to behave in a utopia?

Many parts of the world had not formed into modern nations states 300 years ago. Surely there was the rule of law in many places without the current idea of nations. There is no a priori reason the current political organization of people is eternal, or even very durable.
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