I run my own mail server, and I've found it to be pretty much pain free. Of course I'm the only one who uses it, and I don't do fancy stuff, but after a few bumps when starting out, it works great. I've only had to fix things occasionally, like heartbleed. On the whole, it's been really nice. Is my experience abnormal?
Google seems to have broken email forwarding
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Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did read the article and that's exactly what he's doing. He forwards everything to Gmail, and then allows users to send from Gmail via his SMTP server (or maybe doing some spoofing but it wouldn't look so clean). Essentially outsourcing hosting of inboxes (but just inboxes) to Gmail. I run my own mail server, but most of my employees use Gmail. So I have forwarding set up: employee@dnalounge.com simply forwards to…
You are misunderstanding what is happening. He is not using Gmail, his employees are.
Those are Gmail accounts belonging to his employees but he is using them in the back of his mail setup instead of hosting @dnalounge.com inboxes himself (or paying Google to).
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#731: email is hosted offsite, yet reliant on Google/Gmail to do in house work/intermail.
2: when you are reliant on an external source to solve a problem within your own house you are not prepared.
3: solution: reduce reliance or point of failure by either bringing it all in house and forwarding the remains or bring root to the source and source from root and use mask and forwarding.
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#74This sounds like the old vaudeville routine about "Doctor, it hurts when I do this." Well, don't do this.
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#75Obviously good email (deep in a conversation) being declared "spam" has been a problem with my business for some time also. I figure Google takes all email in a 2 step process (either intentional or accidental) 1: get a good fraction of the world on GMail 2: intermittently declare any non GMail mail spam ( greatly lowering the utility of non GMail). This isn't about any mass mailings or even mailing lists. This is ab…
When I was being recruited by Google I was frustrated by having great phone calls with recruiters, doing well in my phone interview and never hearing a followup. Turned out all the emails from @google.com were going into my Gmail spam. I think they still do (no matter how many I've marked as not spam). Oops.
I've been waiting for an email from a company that I'm in the recruitment process with and your comment inspired me to check my spam folder. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have seen an email from a government agency looking to recruit me. So thanks!
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#76I run my own mail server, and I've found it to be pretty much pain free. Of course I'm the only one who uses it, and I don't do fancy stuff, but after a few bumps when starting out, it works great. I've only had to fix things occasionally, like heartbleed. On the whole, it's been really nice. Is my experience abnormal?
Can you give us more details about your setup, and how you set it up?
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#77Obviously good email (deep in a conversation) being declared "spam" has been a problem with my business for some time also. I figure Google takes all email in a 2 step process (either intentional or accidental) 1: get a good fraction of the world on GMail 2: intermittently declare any non GMail mail spam ( greatly lowering the utility of non GMail). This isn't about any mass mailings or even mailing lists. This is ab…
This seems more like a bug than something intentional. What I find more interesting (and am somewhat saddened by) is that a bug such as this causes people to leap to the conclusion that it is part of a malicious, anti-competitive plot.
Are you asserting that Google has not engaged in anti-competitive behavior or that they should be given the benefit of the doubt despite previously engaging in anti-competitive behavior?
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#78Obviously good email (deep in a conversation) being declared "spam" has been a problem with my business for some time also. I figure Google takes all email in a 2 step process (either intentional or accidental) 1: get a good fraction of the world on GMail 2: intermittently declare any non GMail mail spam ( greatly lowering the utility of non GMail). This isn't about any mass mailings or even mailing lists. This is ab…
When I was being recruited by Google I was frustrated by having great phone calls with recruiters, doing well in my phone interview and never hearing a followup. Turned out all the emails from @google.com were going into my Gmail spam. I think they still do (no matter how many I've marked as not spam). Oops.
Follow up call: "So, I notice your spam team needs needs some more engineers".
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#79>What do I have to do to make Google stop fucking me? Stop using it. You already have your own email server.
Indeed. Email forwarding has been broken for years. I don't allow it on any MX I run. Even with the best defenses, it's too risky to allow users who are spam magnets to harm your server's reputation.
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#80Obviously good email (deep in a conversation) being declared "spam" has been a problem with my business for some time also. I figure Google takes all email in a 2 step process (either intentional or accidental) 1: get a good fraction of the world on GMail 2: intermittently declare any non GMail mail spam ( greatly lowering the utility of non GMail). This isn't about any mass mailings or even mailing lists. This is ab…
Having had delivery problems to gmail for years, I couldn't agree more. However Yahoo are an order of magnitude worse when it comes to delivering email. If they decide you aren't their friend, they send back an error code with a URL in it to go and visit and identify yourself via a web form that is reviewed rarely by some humans. Then if you fuck that form up or if they don't like you, blackholed for 6 months and the…
Yahoo are an absolute pain in the ass. My last dealings with them were from shortly before Marissa took over, I don't know if they've improved or worsened.
What succeeded for one client was my posting pflogsumm stats showing delivery rates and times for Yahoo vs. numerous other large mail providers, along with proof of SPF and DKIM support, to all the Yahoo C-level (and several lower) execs, indicating that they had a problem, and I'd been attempting for months to resolve it.
Apparently there's a Yahoo "concierge", and we managed to get onto the company's approved senders list shortly after.
That said: email's a pain in the ass, and I do know for a fact that that particular client was failing to scrub known dead recipients (as in: the domains no longer existed). Some fights you just concede....