I've been blaming my hosting company, getting everyone in their support chain to take a crack at the issue. I always just assumed that gmail was the working side of the problem, not the problem itself.
Google seems to have broken email forwarding
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Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#52Obviously good email (deep in a conversation) being declared "spam" has been a problem with my business for some time also. I figure Google takes all email in a 2 step process (either intentional or accidental) 1: get a good fraction of the world on GMail 2: intermittently declare any non GMail mail spam ( greatly lowering the utility of non GMail). This isn't about any mass mailings or even mailing lists. This is ab…
For some reason, gmail classifies nearly all of the transactional email I get from Amazon (order acknowledgements, shipping notifications, etc) as spam, and no matter how many I catch and un-mark, it won't stop. Spam classification is a hard problem, but I don't think they've put the false-positive/false-negative tradeoff in the right place, and they really need some safety valves like offering to whitelist an addres…
It would also be nice if you could disable spam filtering entirely and run your own client-side.
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#53Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#54And to make it worst: Google don't run filters on messages that goes to the spam folders, so you can't even use that. I always wanted to do the opposite: Run a filter on the spam folder to delete emails that I know for sure that really are spam, so I wouldn't need to delete them manually.
I'm not sure what you mean; do you mean that their search bar doesn't include spam filters? (I assume that's what you mean since filter creation is sort of built into the search bar.)
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Already downvoted below zero (about 2 seconds). I'll stand by what I said/implied: it is hard to co-exist with Google systems (and apparently also with pro-Google shills/apologists). I know this post violates HN standards, but I didn't think the parent did.
I think its just that everyone who doesn't run a mail server hasn't had to deal with this shit so finds it hard to believe that their precious email providers are being a pain in the butt. That is until you get a court summons after an invoice was sent several times and never got there because some fuckwit mail policy just blackholed it. This stuff does happen and when it does its costly.
YES. This has been killing me for months- my clients keep crawling in my asshole and all of my efforts have changed exactly none of the problem.
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#56Obviously good email (deep in a conversation) being declared "spam" has been a problem with my business for some time also. I figure Google takes all email in a 2 step process (either intentional or accidental) 1: get a good fraction of the world on GMail 2: intermittently declare any non GMail mail spam ( greatly lowering the utility of non GMail). This isn't about any mass mailings or even mailing lists. This is ab…
Already downvoted below zero (about 2 seconds). I'll stand by what I said/implied: it is hard to co-exist with Google systems (and apparently also with pro-Google shills/apologists). I know this post violates HN standards, but I didn't think the parent did.
Roughly related to their XMPP implementation too. Really broken, and hard to co-exist with. To make things worse, they have Hangouts too now.
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#57I honestly can't figure out what he's attempting to do here.
It sounds like he doesn't want to force a work email account on his employees. I don't think many people would have a problem with a work email, it's the norm after all, but fine.
But he also doesn't want to add their personal email addresses to his address book (is this why he wants the @dnalounge.com addresses?)
I'm not sure what this setup is attempting to accomplish.
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Already downvoted below zero (about 2 seconds). I'll stand by what I said/implied: it is hard to co-exist with Google systems (and apparently also with pro-Google shills/apologists). I know this post violates HN standards, but I didn't think the parent did.
I think its just that everyone who doesn't run a mail server hasn't had to deal with this shit so finds it hard to believe that their precious email providers are being a pain in the butt. That is until you get a court summons after an invoice was sent several times and never got there because some fuckwit mail policy just blackholed it. This stuff does happen and when it does its costly.
It's easy to see how transactional email providers have made money these days. You pay them for 70% of the brain damage, then take on the other 30% for your own.
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#59What's the best solution for spam filtering if self-hosted emails?
Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
For some reason, gmail classifies nearly all of the transactional email I get from Amazon (order acknowledgements, shipping notifications, etc) as spam, and no matter how many I catch and un-mark, it won't stop. Spam classification is a hard problem, but I don't think they've put the false-positive/false-negative tradeoff in the right place, and they really need some safety valves like offering to whitelist an addres…
I always mark Amazon mail as spam. Could it be that if a lot of people mark a certain kind of email as spam, Google just treats it as spam?
Why not just opt out of the emails? Each one should have a link on it, so that you don't even have to find the page in the site, if I'm not mistaken.