> Another word for software is “repository” Tech reporting in a sentence.
I wasn't bothered by this inaccuracy. It's close enough to the truth so that the joke makes sense. (Well, as much as the joke can be considered to make sense.)
Jon Ronson: How a Tweet Can Ruin Your Life
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Re: Jon Ronson: How a Tweet Can Ruin Your Life
#62Another interesting article about online shaming: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/magazine/how-one-stupid-tw... The things is that we often forget that there are actual human beings behind the tweets - sometimes with poor judgment skills, but often more misguided than malevolent.
Same guy, same story, same book he's promoting.
that doesnt mean it is not an interesting read on a similar situation.
Re: Jon Ronson: How a Tweet Can Ruin Your Life
#63““Maybe it was [Hank] who started all of this,” Adria told me in the cafe at San Francisco Airport. “No one would have known he got fired until he complained. Maybe he’s to blame for complaining that he got fired. Maybe he secretly seeded the hate groups. Right?” This paragraph really gave me chills... A lot of insight about her thought process, and a bit terrifying in my opinion.
It goes on:
> “Danger,” she said. “Clearly my body was telling me, ‘You are unsafe.’”
> “Have you ever heard that thing, men are afraid that women will laugh at them and women are afraid that men will kill them?” she said.
Remind me when someone was last killed at a tech conference like she says? Very rarely, if ever.
Did she feel bad about him being fired? Nope.
> “He’s a white male. I’m a black Jewish female. He was saying things that could be inferred as offensive to me
Read that last sentence again. In poker terms, that's a "tell". She doesn't say "I was offended".
I've known people like this in real life. They are to be avoided. The "tells" above are:
* claiming people do nefarious things to get ahead (he seeded the hate groups)
* claiming they're always the victim
* lack of empathy for people who get hurt
* claimed desperate fear in every day situations
She's saying she's in fear of her life. That the guy making the joke is evil and powerful. That she's small and helpless. And thus she thinks that anything she does to protect herself is by definition OK.
Very, very, scary.
And yes, before the downvoters come in, the torrent of abuse she got was wrong. Very wrong. Those people should be punished. But make no mistake here, Adria Richards is not Hanks victim.
Re: Jon Ronson: How a Tweet Can Ruin Your Life
#64After reading this I don't like Adria Richards very much. She seems very self involved with a persecution context. However, she is still very much a victim of sexist online culture. Bad people can be victims too. A man makes a mildly sexist unfunny joke and the result is a woman is unemployed for six months and fears for her safety. That is 'not cool', and ironically only reinforces her and other women's belief that…
Was the joke even sexist at all or was it just sexual in nature? Inappropriate sure, but that's a pretty big difference in my book.
Sexual != sexist. I feel like this concept needs more attention. Anecdotally, I hear just as many sexual jokes from females as I do males - the concept that "they feel comfortable" and happen to be surrounded by similar people (while/male) does not make it sexist, or even threatening.
Re: Jon Ronson: How a Tweet Can Ruin Your Life
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
sounds like a major difference, if a labour law only protects rich people, it is not really in the spirit of an actual "labour law" https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u...
my point is rather badly explained, i mean to say that you need quite a lot of money on either continent to fight these type of battles.
no you dont, in Europe there is a lot of legal aid and support available to bring these to employment tribunals. you dont have to be rich to get justice over here (but as with everywhere it does help).
Re: Jon Ronson: How a Tweet Can Ruin Your Life
#66Wow, sounds like the good old days of Thought Police. See someone who don't respect the ideology en vogue, report them, and bam, they will be taken care of. Nice job Adria. Setting the good example for the kids.
Re: Jon Ronson: How a Tweet Can Ruin Your Life
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
With enough money in the fired party's bank account, it would be. I think the only difference between Europe and the US in this regard is the amount of money required to get justice.
> With enough money in the fired party's bank account, it would be. Most of the US is at-will, employees can be fired for no reason or any reason as long as there's no breach of relevant federal statutes (Equal Pay Act, Civil Rights Act, Age Discrimination in Employment Act, Americans with Disability Act, …) — the latter being why employees are generally fired with absolutely no reason provided just to avoid any poss…
I'm sure proceedings have been successfully made in such states, at great financial expense, to prove that even though no reason was given "federal statutes" were breached. Your argument that that has never happened and can never happen is much harder to make convincingly.
Re: Jon Ronson: How a Tweet Can Ruin Your Life
#68The world is replete with examples of why you should never use your real name with your online identity in any way (although in this case, the guy's employer found out over a photograph; which is even more troubling.) If there's anyone worse than Adria in this story, it's both Hank's and Adria's former employers. You don't destroy a person's life over a comment or a blackmail threat. But as they say, if corporations…
"Not too bad, he's a white male. I'm a black Jewish female."
Nice quote here. As you say, it really does make Richards look empathetic. /s
But seriously, this is not good for her image.
Re: Jon Ronson: How a Tweet Can Ruin Your Life
#69Say what you like, but Hank didn't do anything wrong here. In fact, he only expressed everything that had happened to him, and it just so happened that many people decided to stand up for him in what seems to be a situation of very, very poor judgement. On the other hand, great and naturally flowing writing by the author, really enjoyed swimming through the story!
The problem was that many people went a lot further than standing up for Hank. (I thought her reaction was wrong, pretty much from the first step, but it wasn't something uninvolved people needed to pay much attention to either.)
4chan behavior is well documented and not surprising in this case. Easily condemned, but I don't think it helps this discussion to be emotionally swayed by the reaction of such a group.
Re: Jon Ronson: How a Tweet Can Ruin Your Life
#70One interesting aspect that seems to be completely left out of that discussion is the issue of labour protection laws. Firing someone in Europe for some minor issue like that would probably be a major legal issue here.
With enough money in the fired party's bank account, it would be. I think the only difference between Europe and the US in this regard is the amount of money required to get justice.
Having worked in Europe and seen the process at work, lawyers are cheap. Employees sue and succeed in their suits for surprisingly simple things.
Europeans take employee protection very seriously.