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My Girlfriend Dissociated and Forgot Who I Was

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Re: My Girlfriend Dissociated and Forgot Who I Was

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Whenever I hear about stuff like this, I wonder: Is there anything the failure modes of the human brain allow us to deduce about the software architecture? Maybe memories are stored in some partitioned database, and one of the partitions is always stuff relating to "my identity", and somehow this partition can get unlinked and temporarily re-linked to a blank one, which is discarded after a few hours. Hmm, maybe this…

This is the most fascinating part of mental illness. And it's a bittersweet thought that as horrible as mental illness is, it might be what allows us to really understand the human mind.

However, making evolutionary arguments for psychological traits is tricky business and while I'm not a professional evolutionary psychologist myself, I think the explanation you gave violates a fundamental principle of evolutionary arguments.

Imagine gene A confers a fitness advantage because it allows a person to better cope with a selection pressure X, and gene B confers an additional fitness advantage against X, but only if gene A is present, and does nothing otherwise. In this (common) case, gene B will not be selected for unless gene A is already universal in the population. Following the same rules, imagine we then get gene C which is dependent on B, then a variant of gene A called A* which is dependent on B and C, and so on. Eventually, if even one gene is removed (either by sexual reproduction with someone who doesn't have it or by mutation), the whole tower falls down and the entire piece of complex biological machinery is broken.

Basically, there's no way for selection pressure X on a significant chunk but not all of the population to produce a piece of complex machinery (read: involving 2+ interdependent genes) in the first place, and it would be broken beyond all repair in all offspring who didn't have both parents with the full genetic instructions. So the idea that "many humans were abused, enslaved, etc." only works if the selection pressure was on everyone and the adaptation is universal in the human population, unless it's attributed to a single mutation.

The rarity of this condition isn't consistent with it being a feature. Seems like a bug to me.

Hope this was helpful!

Re: My Girlfriend Dissociated and Forgot Who I Was

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MDMA is not capable of making you forget who your friends are, except maybe in serotonin-syndrome inducing doses. Primarily it is an empathogenic[1] drug, not a hallucinogen. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathogen-entactogen

MDMA absolutely is. I am well aware that it is not ordinarily associated with hallucinations or disassociation. I can also absolutely say that you do not need a serotonin-syndrome inducing dose to forget who your friends are, who you are, or have no idea why you have are sitting on a bed (your own), or who it belongs to. It can also make you hallucinate and "disappear" into your hallucination for several hours, befor…

I'm sorry but that is complete bullshit. Granted each drug has a subjective and unique experience due to the nature of your biochemistry, but by and large the experience of MDMA is relatively harmless. [0]

The serotonergic effects are a completely different matter.

[0] https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal109...

Re: My Girlfriend Dissociated and Forgot Who I Was

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Whenever I hear about stuff like this, I wonder: Is there anything the failure modes of the human brain allow us to deduce about the software architecture? Maybe memories are stored in some partitioned database, and one of the partitions is always stuff relating to "my identity", and somehow this partition can get unlinked and temporarily re-linked to a blank one, which is discarded after a few hours. Hmm, maybe this…

I just happened to be reading Consciousness and the Social Brain [1] which gives a theory of consciousness as the brain's representation of attention.

One of their points was that if consciousness is just a representation it should be possible for your brain to alternate between representations, much like as happens in multi-stable perception [2], which would explain DID.

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17349805-consciousness-a...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistable_perception

Re: My Girlfriend Dissociated and Forgot Who I Was

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That is an incredibly moving story, and it's wonderful how well it turned out. But the author acted irresponsibly. As soon as he realized that his friend was dissociating, in the taxi, he should have called 911/999/whatever and informed the driver of the situation. If this had been a stroke or heart attack, that would have been the obvious move. Why not for dissociation?

Re: My Girlfriend Dissociated and Forgot Who I Was

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I think you are mixing MDMA and LSD here.

Definitely not. Unless the usual method of taking LSD is via pill form. But I hear MDMA does not induce hours of hallucinations either, so perhaps LSD does come in pill form with logos on it.

Test your pills if you're having these kinds of effects from them. Chances are, they're not just MDMA. It happens a lot.

Re: My Girlfriend Dissociated and Forgot Who I Was

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If it was your home and you recognized it, and the people in it, then that is not relevant here at all. You're equivocating between the colloquial use of "dissociate" (as in "marathon runners practice dissociation and association") and the clinical term as it is used in this context for a disturbing disorder which has nothing to do with driving a memorized route on "auto pilot". And, by the way, you'd still hit the b…

> Simliarly, a piano player isn't "dissociating" just because he or she isn't thinking about which finger goes to which key at all times. The piano player example is apples to oranges with driving on auto-pilot example. In the auto-pilot example, you are responding to external stimulus (even without a kid jumping into the road), in the piano player example, he/she is using "muscle memory." Also, the piano player does…

In improvisation in an ensemble (e.g. jazz), you respond to external stimulus. Also, in improvisation, you can sometimes lose yourself and not even know what your fingers are doing at times. You will not remember exactly what you played even moments later. I sometimes noodle on my guitar while reading.

Re: My Girlfriend Dissociated and Forgot Who I Was

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Whenever I hear about stuff like this, I wonder: Is there anything the failure modes of the human brain allow us to deduce about the software architecture? Maybe memories are stored in some partitioned database, and one of the partitions is always stuff relating to "my identity", and somehow this partition can get unlinked and temporarily re-linked to a blank one, which is discarded after a few hours. Hmm, maybe this…

Oliver Sacks' books looks at a wide range of failure modes, and what those failure modes mean about the structure of the brain (e.g. The man who mistook his wife for a hat). Brilliant writer, scientist, and seems like an all round good guy.

Re: My Girlfriend Dissociated and Forgot Who I Was

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You ... get used to it. Familiarity, is, as mentioned, the key - narrating the location and why it should be familiar and when they moved there and ways they can prove it's theirs (e.g. keys fitting the front door) tend to help quite a bit. A dissociated mind still wants to believe it should be where it is and that that makes complete sense, it just doesn't have the data available. Eventually, with luck, you can get…

But isn't it a rather frustrating experience "I should remember this. WHY don't I remember this?!?!"
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