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Re: Mike Ey, Microsoft HoloLens designer, killed in hit and run

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Post by melling » Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 4:56 AM UTC

lutorm wrote: post #125

melling wrote: post #37

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A fall is an accidental death. When someone chooses to get behind the wheel of a car after drinking, they are intentionally making a bad choice. Getting to near zero drunk driver deaths is attainable once we change behavior. That's the acceptable number.

Would you include getting behind the wheel if you are tired, sick, stressed, taking antihistamines, or impaired in any other non-illegal-drug related way as well? Because I'm pretty sure those can impair drivers to the same degree. It's just that driving while impaired due to drugs is seen as being a moral failure, while it's perfectly socially acceptable to drive in other circumstances.

What are the numbers of deaths related to these? You quoted 39% of auto deaths as being alcohol related elsewhere. If we determine there was a problem, we should seek to address it. At the moment, it sounds like you're just trying to sidetrack the conversation.

We can measure blood alcohol so we can estimate the degree of impairedness. Furthermore, it is already illegal.

Re: Mike Ey, Microsoft HoloLens designer, killed in hit and run

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Post by jpatokal » Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 5:17 AM UTC

DiabloD3 wrote: post #139

guiambros wrote: post #110

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"Heavy car usage" , in NYC? After decades living in real car-only cities (Atlanta, Miami, Sao Paulo), I'm glad to live car-free in NYC. And considering family and small child. While gentrification continues to push people away from Manhattan, you still have decent options of public transportation to everywhere around here. We can criticize NY for many things, but being a 'car city' is not one of them. Anyway, I reall…

I've never been to NYC, but every depiction I've seen of it grid lock and seas of yellow cabs, and cabs have been known to hit people too.

Grid lock is annoying, but it's not going to kill you violently. And good luck trying to drive 100 mph in Manhattan.

Re: Mike Ey, Microsoft HoloLens designer, killed in hit and run

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Post by ild » Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 5:20 AM UTC

Turing_Machine wrote: post #150

ild wrote: post #146

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> crime-ridden cities Still living in 1980-s? Meanwhile poverty in subarbs growing faster than in cities and crime is also quite a bit growing. Safe area of Brooklyn is a lot safer than in Elyria, OH, although Elyria is a suburb of a big city.

1) You don't get to cherry-pick a "safe area of Brooklyn" and compare it with the whole of Elyria. http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Elyria-Ohio.html There are "safe areas" in Elyria that have a crime rate of 6 (national average: 286, according to this site's measurment methodology) 2) Elyria has over 50,000 people. That's hardly a representative suburb.

> You don't get to cherry-pick a "safe area of Brooklyn" and compare it with the whole of Elyria.

Do you understand at all how big Brooklyn is? A safe area of Brooklyn is at least 250,000 people; actually perhaps 400,000 or so.

> There are "safe areas" in Elyria that have a crime rate of 6 (national average: 286, according to this site's measurment methodology)

Where? Cannot see anything like that on the map you linked.

> 2) Elyria has over 50,000 people. That's hardly a representative suburb.

Please, educate me how to (cherry)pick a representative suburb.

Re: Mike Ey, Microsoft HoloLens designer, killed in hit and run

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Post by gtjrossi » Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 5:21 AM UTC

GauntletWizard wrote: post #72

spike021 wrote: post #55

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My thought is that if you have the money to spend on multiple drinks, then you should be able to spend at least one drink's cost on Uber, Lyft, etc.

It's not just Uber to get home; It's the logistics of picking up your car in the morning, paying the overnight fees/parking tickets for wherever you left it, and the additional time it's going to take you to get it back. Getting 'home' is not a solved problem with Uber, unless you have some serious foresight.

In Seattle, overnight parking does not cost. They actually have stickers on the parking meters reminding drivers of this in the case that they're planning to drink.

Re: Mike Ey, Microsoft HoloLens designer, killed in hit and run

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Post by steveax » Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 5:23 AM UTC

cthalupa wrote: post #119

usefulcat wrote: post #53

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>There are sometimes legitimate reasons to be going quickly. I have, at times, needed to have bursts of speed into the 90s to safely get around a drunk driver going 70. So.. you reasoned that it would be safer to be /in front/ of the drunk driver?

>So.. you reasoned that it would be safer to be /in front/ of the drunk driver? Yes? In one scenario I am stuck behind them and potentially having to deal with the results of any sort of screwup on their part, or having to find a completely different route, which isn't always practical. In the other I leave them behind me and am no longer having to deal with them. In what world is it more advantageous to be near a dr…

How about exiting the highway and calling the police? Seems like the most prudent course for everyone.

Re: Mike Ey, Microsoft HoloLens designer, killed in hit and run

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Post by Turing_Machine » Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 5:30 AM UTC

bri3d wrote: post #111

Turing_Machine wrote: post #101

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The population density in the United States is far too low to support this. Increase the population of the U.S. to a billion or so, then maybe it will work.

The population density in thousands of places in the US is more than high enough to support more sustainable transportation solutions, but yet even those places don't . Do you believe that the existence of exurbs and rural areas is what's preventing cities from pursuing less fragile means of transit? Why?

"The population density in thousands of places in the US is more than high enough to support more sustainable transportation solutions, but yet even those places don't."

Places where the population density is high enough to have it (New York, other parts of BosWash, Chicagoland) by and large do have it.

The OP was complaining about Los Angeles. Five minutes with Wikipedia and a calculator will demonstrate why mass transit sucks there, and always will. And LA is dense compared to most of the country.

Re: Mike Ey, Microsoft HoloLens designer, killed in hit and run

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Post by toast0 » Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 5:35 AM UTC

dilap wrote: post #132

coffeemug wrote: post #104

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> Not all workers can demand decent living conditions You're assuming that car-oriented urban planning is synonymous with poor living conditions, which isn't true. A lot of people (most?) in the U.S. actually prefer it -- for many people the perceived convenience of cars beats public transportation and biking.

I love driving, but man, it sucks to build a city around it. I'm living in SF right now, carless, and skate a lot. It's fun, but holy shit does it suck constantly having to dodge oblivious drivers, asshole taxis, and homicidal MUNI drivers. I have a fantasy where the whole city is grass and bikepaths. All normal deliveries are by bike, & if you really need to move something big, you get a special permit to rent a tru…

Don't worry, SF is terrible for drivers too. I'll just keep my truck in the south bay, where they appreciate it (kind of; why does caltrans forget how to design north of the grapevine?)

Re: Mike Ey, Microsoft HoloLens designer, killed in hit and run

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Post by Turing_Machine » Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 5:37 AM UTC

ild wrote: post #153

Turing_Machine wrote: post #150

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1) You don't get to cherry-pick a "safe area of Brooklyn" and compare it with the whole of Elyria. http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Elyria-Ohio.html There are "safe areas" in Elyria that have a crime rate of 6 (national average: 286, according to this site's measurment methodology) 2) Elyria has over 50,000 people. That's hardly a representative suburb.

> You don't get to cherry-pick a "safe area of Brooklyn" and compare it with the whole of Elyria. Do you understand at all how big Brooklyn is? A safe area of Brooklyn is at least 250,000 people; actually perhaps 400,000 or so. > There are "safe areas" in Elyria that have a crime rate of 6 (national average: 286, according to this site's measurment methodology) Where? Cannot see anything like that on the map you link…

"A safe area of Brooklyn is at least 250,000 people; actually perhaps 400,000 or so."

Fine. Show me a "safe area" of Brooklyn that has a crime rate of 6

"Where? Cannot see anything like that on the map you linked."

I should have said other suburbs in the same area. For example, Westlake.

"Please, educate me how to (cherry)pick a representative suburb."

Well, for a start you don't pick out the one with the highest crime rate.

That map demonstrates that Elyria is an extreme outlier, even for the area, much less for the country as a whole.

You got busted, dude.

Re: Mike Ey, Microsoft HoloLens designer, killed in hit and run

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 5:48 AM UTC

RIMR wrote: post #32

Chevalier wrote: post #29

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Not that it's any more or less tragic, but I've always been astonished that Silicon Valley is so car-dependent. We've concentrated the most brilliant minds in the world in this small area... and then force everyone to pilot two-ton bullets to pick up groceries? Not all workers can demand decent living conditions, but you'd think the competitive draw for workers in Silicon Valley would entice company towns to, I don't…

Redmond, Washington isn't in Silicon Valley...

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Re: Mike Ey, Microsoft HoloLens designer, killed in hit and run

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 5:50 AM UTC

RIMR wrote: post #32

Chevalier wrote: post #29

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Not that it's any more or less tragic, but I've always been astonished that Silicon Valley is so car-dependent. We've concentrated the most brilliant minds in the world in this small area... and then force everyone to pilot two-ton bullets to pick up groceries? Not all workers can demand decent living conditions, but you'd think the competitive draw for workers in Silicon Valley would entice company towns to, I don't…

Redmond, Washington isn't in Silicon Valley...

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