Could someone please point out something smart Mark Cuban has ever written? Because everything I read of his comes off as out of touch.
Why This Tech Bubble is Worse Than the Tech Bubble of 2000
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Pension funds and similar investment vehicles put a tiny percentage of their money into VC funds. Those losses shouldn't affect the individuals much.
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-09-23/are-public-p... Insurance companies and pension funds make up 50% and upwards of an average VC. The rest of the money also comes from sources which directly affect you such as local government, banks, and other "public" institutions. "Rich individuals" on the other hand do make up only a fraction of the VC source funding with less than 2% on average. And while it's true…
Total VC investments in 2014: $40 billion 300 largest pension funds control: $12.7 trillion
Total annual VC investment is 0.003% of pension fund value. That doesn't even include insurance companies and other smaller pension funds.
It doesn't mean anything when you say half of VC funds come from pension funds. It's still a miniscule amount when looking at the total value of pension funds.
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It's not only pensions, it's insurers and worse underwriters, universities, local governments, non-profit organizations and more. The amount of actual "private equity" in most VC's is minimal to non-existent, people with those amounts of money have much better investments options and more importantly they know better.
Genuine question, what are those "much better investment options?" I have long suspected that super rich people are doing different things with their money than I am, but I have never figured out exactly what.
1. Very large investors actually don't do anything different. The best game in town is the efficient frontier (modern portfolio theory; essentially, spread the bets around so some zig while others zag). Once you have more than $10 M or so, it becomes worthwhile to start optimizing at the margins; there are things that can be done with tax efficiency that have tiny but real gains, and there are things like exploiting the short rebate and negotiating for special concessions. But as a passive, financially-oriented investor, you're basically playing the diversification game.
2. That said, very large investors almost all get to be that way not by the diversification game, but by the concentration game. Think about the wealth generation period of any industrial fortune: it comes from highly concentrated equity holdings in a corporation undergoing a massive change in valuation (archetypally, profitable growth, although many an investor has done well by changing the valuation through other means, see ESL and K-Mart).
So. The way a person gets super rich is by doing something very different than what you are (should be) doing. And so while they are in that period, their portfolio looks very different. But once they are super rich, if they go to the world's best advisors, they are likely going to get something that looks like a well-diversified asset allocation according to modern portfolio theory.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not only pensions, it's insurers and worse underwriters, universities, local governments, non-profit organizations and more. The amount of actual "private equity" in most VC's is minimal to non-existent, people with those amounts of money have much better investments options and more importantly they know better.
Genuine question, what are those "much better investment options?" I have long suspected that super rich people are doing different things with their money than I am, but I have never figured out exactly what.
For most people above $200K income, biggest expense is usually taxes. So it makes a lot of sense for wealthy people to dominantly invest in instruments which has lowest taxes. They take advantage of 15% tax rule for capital gains and also they take massive advantage of real estate sales which are taxed at zero or rates as low as 20%. In addition they can invest in real estate in countries with lax tx policies or where things are very cheap right now such as Italy, Greece and Iceland. Many wealthy also invest in new business projects happening in their social circle. For example, investing another friend's new beach hotel chain or in infrastructure project contract for some government. In these they have advantage that their friends have lot of inside information on how things will go and what are their key strengths, weaknesses and risks. If regular people are allowed to invest in these, they have lot less leverage and no opportunity for timely cash out when things are going to go south. Finally, regular Joe with $100K have far limited avenues for diversification (essentially just stocks and bonds) and even more limited resources for research and re-allocation of assets. Wealthy can literally exercise 100s of options including currency trading, commodities, foreign equities, futures and so on combined with sophisticated call/put options. While a regular Joe probably meets an accountant twice a year, super rich usually have staff of dozen or more in a dedicated office space to continuously analyze and re-allocate assets in realtime. It is not an accident that Bill Gates total networth has more than doubled despite of his massive giving drive and almost a decade long retirement.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pension funds and similar investment vehicles put a tiny percentage of their money into VC funds. Those losses shouldn't affect the individuals much.
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-09-23/are-public-p... Insurance companies and pension funds make up 50% and upwards of an average VC. The rest of the money also comes from sources which directly affect you such as local government, banks, and other "public" institutions. "Rich individuals" on the other hand do make up only a fraction of the VC source funding with less than 2% on average. And while it's true…
Public pension: 20%
Corporate pension: 7%
Insurance companies: 7%
Union pension funds: 2%
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"Insurance and pension" total: 36%
(This is the fraction of the VC's fund that is committed by those types of institutions, NOT how much of those institutions' portfolios are in VC; see below for that.)1.5. Elsewhere in this thread, dogma1138 suggests that the Bloomberg mention of CALPERS trimming their VC allocation is "to 1 percent, from 7 percent..." What is left off is the crucial kicker: "...of its private equity portfolio." Meaning that even CALPERS is allocating only 0.5% or so to ALL its venture capital managers.
2. The fraction of an institutional portfolio that goes to any one VC fund is usually well under 1%.
How it actually works (foundation / endowment model):
- Estimate asset class returns, volatilities, and covariances. This is done with historical analysis and some forward-looking hand-wave mumbo-jumbo.
- Chart out the "efficient frontier" of expected return per unit "risk" (volatility of return) across several model portfolios (each of which is a set of % allocations to the various asset classes). This makes a nice hyperbola that looks like a "C" and you pick one of the ones in the top left, meaning, more return and less risk.
- That asset allocation will almost certainly look something like:
Public Equity: most
Bonds: second-most
Hedge Funds: small
Private Equity: small
"Alternatives" in vogue at the time (timber, gold, real estate, rice paddies, comic book royalties, whatever): small
(Where "small" usually means - Then, within the "Private Equity" bucket, you divvy that up and do a similar exercise: Large Buyout: most
Middle-Market: recently more fashionable
Venture Capital: small
(Here, the VC part of private equity is likely 0-25%, unlikely to be a big part of the PE bucket.)- Then, within each of those buckets, you pick a variety of "managers." Probably at least 3-5 in the VC bucket.
- Then, with each VC "manager" (VC firm) you allocate your commitments such that you can have some continuity of investment across the serial funds of that firm. (Note: if you don't have the size or sophistication to manage managers, you might just buy a "fund of funds" to achieve diversification within the VC sub-allocation of your PE allocation).
If an institution has 10% allocated to PE, they might have 2% allocated to VC, and of that, 0.5% might be allocated to a particular manager (firm), and it might well be put no more than 0.25% into a particular fund.
2.5 Insurers and pensions work differently from the above (endowment/foundation model) in some ways, the same in other ways. Crucially they both have to manage the expected liabilities of near term payouts -- but they don't do that with private equity / venture investments, they do it with bonds. See "immunization." They do, however, try to generate a "total return" on the surplus that is not expected to be used near term. Also I'm leaving out minimum 5% spend, etc., I know.
3. It is totally rational to put a small but meaningful sliver of your large portfolio into venture capital, especially and crucially at a time when entire industries (e.g. taxicab, booksellers, maybe internal combustion cars??) can get decimated by technology disruption within a decade. If nothing else, it's like buying a cheap put against the old-line stocks in your portfolio.
4. Yes, VC has its issues but dogma1138 is not pointing out any of them.
So, I'm sorry, but you're completely out to lunch if you think a VC fund or private equity fund is going to cause an insurer or pension "even 5-10% loss [such that] tons of people lose coverage, premiums sky rocket," etc.
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His point is that Sarbanes-Oxley killed the possibility for small-medium companies to go public (~1B market cap). With less than $1B market cap, the overhead costs of Sarbanes-Oxley compliance are a huge % of revenue. The only way the shareholders can cash out is via a sale to a larger (idiot?) buyer (Facebook/Google/Microsoft/Yahoo). Even worse, a lot of these companies don't really have a clear path to revenue or p…
Then you look at the cash reserves of the titans (Apple comes to mind) and you see it's not in circulation, which proves there are large sums of liquidity on the sidelines not investing.
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#100Heaven forbid you read the comments section before the actual article. His point: >The bubble today comes from private investors who are investing in apps and small tech companies. ... >Why ? Because there is ZERO liquidity for any of those investments. None. Zero. Zip. Is he wrong?
Yes he is wrong. This is a non-sequitur. He is offering a conclusion that does not follow from his argument. Why should the lack of liquidity cause a bubble? Usually lack of liquidity acts in the opposite direction. It causes prices to go down not up. Furthermore, the bubble dynamic usually requires liquidity. The bubble dynamic happens when prices are going up so much that participants do not care about an underlyin…
Simply put:
1) valuation = price of last share sold * number of shares
2) value = price at least one buyer is prepared to pay for the entire company
Lack of liquidity in private companies generally comes from the fact that you can't buy or sell shares without agreement from the board. So "price of last share sold" is quite simply directly set by the board, people who have a vested interest in this number being as high as possible.
It is normal for valuation to be larger than value (for public companies), but not by much. You could actually buy (very nearly) all of Microsoft for 360 billion dollars (it's market cap). A bubble can probably be best defined as valuation >> value.