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Re: Show HN: Slack Meets GitHub Issues

#131
@pdrummond

Some feedback, all related to solely to the frontpage web site of www.openloopz.com:

1. openloopz.com doesn't resolve (heroku error message), only www.openloopz.com.

2. there is no clear message stating what your products does (I'm still confused) besides simply stating that it help people "communicate better and get things done quicker."

3. Is the product still in "BETA"? What does that mean nowadays in 2015?

4. When I click on "Pricing", how do I sign-up? When I click a plan (e.g. Basic, Premium, Business) - nothing happens.

5. I don't understand your pricing strategy. You have free, you have $5/mo and then you have "contact us" which implies to me super expensive. How do you go from $0/$5 to super expensive with no middle ground?

6. I'm confused, is the product ready to be used or not? I see that I can sign up for a $5 plan (under Pricing tab) but I also see I can provide my email address when the product RELEASED (under the BETA tab). So which is it ... is the product available today or not?

7. What the heck is a "loop". I read the "What is a Loop" but am still confused.

Please don't take my comments as being harass. I'm simply trying to provide my personal opinion on how you can be successful (which I believe all of us at HN want).

I fundamentally see a complete lack of focus on the homepage.

I'd suggest you reconstruct the homepage to be more focused, something more similar to https://campfirenow.com/ where you get a quick screenshot of the product. The home page is simply (mainly all "above the fold"). Sign up and pricing is clear. etc.

All the best. I wish you well.

Re: Show HN: Slack Meets GitHub Issues

#132
The site is terrible. I have NO idea what it's supposed to be. Github is mentioned twice, in tiny lettering.

Your blog post is what your homepage should be. If I'm a first time customer coming to your site looking at this, I close it and move on.

Re: Show HN: Slack Meets GitHub Issues

#133
Quick scan:

Oh, it's like Google Wave. Cool, ish.

other thoughts:

Does it integrate with LDAP/AD/SAML or other sign on solution? If yes, then it can be a enterprise candidate, probably. If no, then, "aargh".

The FAQ is almost unreadable in my (OSX Safari on widescreen monitor) browser. Literally.

If you can swing an experienced someone to play Product/Marketing, you'll probably be in a decent spot for information management type people (PMs, admin assistants, etc). I /think/ the tech has possibilities, but I am not really a "make a new account and play" kind of person.

Re: Show HN: Slack Meets GitHub Issues

#134
Lots of people leap before they have a parachute because the plebeian view is that entrepreneurs take risks. The reality is that good entrepreneurs manage their risk neurotically. It doesn't help your situation now, but always start these endeavors as night + weekend projects. Manage your risk. Test the market. Get 5 paying customers, then start thinking about quitting your full time job.

So, some feedback...

From what I gather, OpenLoop a tool for me to organize information and/or projects, generic enough to be used across many verticals and company orgs. It sounds similar to Trello or Basecamp. And that's OK. I'm not sure if my view is accurate, but that's what I feel like you're trying to sell.

"Show, don't tell". Go look at trello.com. Go look at basecamp.com/tour. As a potential customer, I want to see screenshots of the software before I signup. I want to see what's different. I'm asking myself "is this worth my time?" Show me a gif of OpenLoop in action. Or make a short screencast (with actual video of the software, not a high-level animation) and stick it right in the hero. Put up a demo at demo.openlooopz.com. Automatically wipe/reimage the account every night to keep out spam and vulgarity. Let people play with it.

Explore verticals. Are there verticals currently using OpenLoop really well? Project Managers? Nurses? Accountants? Is it really great at bug tracking? Highlight those on your website - "Project Managers use OpenLoop to Deliver Great Products", "Squash bugs quickly with OpenLoop". Build some dedicated landing pages for those verticals and buy some FB ads. Measure pageviews/signups and see who is most interested.

Testimonials or Case Studies. Talk to people currently using OpenLoop and ask them for a quote to put on your page.

Blogs. Setup a tumblr in 15 seconds and start blogging about how people are using OpenLoop. Publish guides on popular workflows. Publish ways you're different than your competitors.

Refine your copy. People generally don't read large blocks of text. I could tell you were struggling to describe your product because the first item in your FAQ is "What is a loop". Ditch the copy and show me the software.

Ditch the "Slack Meets Github" tagline. Perhaps you only used that here. But it didn't help me understand the product.

Naysayers come and go. Don't give up, but make sure you're providing if that's your role. If you're out of fuel (money), time to do a contract gig to earn some more runway. You might even have to go back to full time work and do OpenLoop on the weekends. There is no shame in that. If you can, take a 2 week break from anything OpenLoop related (perhaps a contract) and spend time with your family. You'll come back refreshed and find yourself with tons of new ideas for ways to market/advertise, new verticals to research, better copy, etc.

Best of luck to you sir!

Re: Show HN: Slack Meets GitHub Issues

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likewise. I'm also mid-30s with 2 kids, and I'm currently pivoting from a science career to a software developer one. I'm currently deciding whether to go down the self-started startup route or get a normal job, and I'm blogging about my experiences at http://www.hacker-dad.com . Combining parenting and startups presents a set of pretty unique challenges, and I'd love to find other parents who are grappling with them…

Thanks for the link. I will check it out. If it's fine with you, I'll drop you an email tonight and we can connect?

Sounds good!

Re: Show HN: Slack Meets GitHub Issues

#136
You should spend some time watching folks use your site.

Sit down with a few friends new to this system, and silently watched them use it for two minutes. Get them to think aloud, and ask questions when they are silent to better understand what they are trying to do and what they expect. When they ask you how to do something, you ask them how they think they should do it.

I think you really need to see this for yourself. Users are often consistently blind. When you see 2 out of 3 folks struggling with the same thing, it needs to be changed.

-Is the first thing users want to see a search box? -How quickly do users figure out how to use the system for something useful? -How quickly do users figure out why loopy is better than sliced bread? -Do users struggle to find a way to get rid of the welcome message? -Are users able to progressively find the more complex features the more they use the system?

Re: Show HN: Slack Meets GitHub Issues

#137

I'll come out with a contrarian point of view: I think you're wasting your time and certainly your money. To have invested your life savings into this app which, uh, is really hard to determine what it does seems silly to me - especially since you have a family to care for. Slack Meets GitHub Issues? Doesn't Slack already meet GitHub issues in that it integrates with GitHub fine? The fact that you need a very long bl…

For what it's worth, releasing something and finding little or no adoption of the product is often where the interesting learning begins. I can't tell you whether or not it's worth pursuing, but I know that in my own experience it was. Our team spent almost a year building and launching a product that we ultimately shut down. We could have stopped and gone back to our day jobs, but the silver lining is that the core…

This is actually the description of how Slack came to be.

Re: Show HN: Slack Meets GitHub Issues

#138
post #104

I read both your post and your website copy. The short version is: you're failing to explain yourself concisely and effectively. I want you to succeed — here's some critique. I think I'm in your expected early-adopter demographic. I am a heavy user of Trello, and this smells like a cousin of tools like Trello but with a very different information architecture. I couldn't understand your product and how it would be us…

Yes, exactly this. I read a few comments here, went to your website, and then sat there for a few minutes trying to figure out exactly what your product was.

I finally broke down and created an account and was amazed by how nice the interfaces looked. I like the idea of how your project is structured, but your website really needs to do a much better job of showcasing what it is that it actually does. Maybe even start out with a nice high-res video quickly showing me what it looks like.

Very cool looking product, very poor front-page marketing. Improve the front-page marketing and start getting active in marketing yourself (through blog posts and the like) and I think you'll do fine. You're on the slow, painful "acquire users" path now. Stick with it.

Re: Show HN: Slack Meets GitHub Issues

#139
post #93

Side-point, but hopefully relevant. I helped out at the Techstars London demo day and after bugging the managing team on one of the prep days, we were able to find out what they saw as some issues unique to the UK and the one they always saw was "too much code, not enough talking to customers" - they've had start-ups apply with over £2 million spent, and a stunning product, but with no real customer input thus far or…

I wouldn't consider that unique to the UK. That's a common problem throughout the startup community (I'm on the teaching team at an accelerator here in NY and it's the same way).

It's just more fun to build a product than it is to talk to customers before touching a line of code...

Re: Show HN: Slack Meets GitHub Issues

#140
post #51

You could have validated this idea (for next to nothing, I might add) before quitting your job and investing all of your savings. There's a lot of good reading out there around how to do what you've tried to do here in a safe and sensible way that doesn't waste time and your own hard earned money, but you seem to have ignored all of that. I suggest you purchase a copy of http://theleanstartup.com/ I genuinely wish yo…

I already have the leanstartup and I have read many, many books on the subject, but I didn't do all this just to start a business. Of course, I want it to become successful, but this project means more to me than that, so I didn't need validation before starting on the journey. In a way, I was scratching my own itch. This is something I will use on a daily basis, and if that's as successful as it will ever be, then i…

The advice to "scratch your own itch" is fine if you're building a hobby project. If you intend to build a real business then doing at least some "validation" (I hate how entrepreneurs use that word, but that's beside the point) is critical.

Even just talking to 10-20 people is better than nothing. Hindsight is 20/20, but hopefully anyone reading this reply takes a moment to do that before coding anything.

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