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Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by eitally »

jeremyt wrote: post #13
mootothemax wrote: post #6

Hilary Clinton's not the first nor only politician guilty of doing this, NY Daily News just put together five other notables: - Sarah Palin - Mitt Romney - Karl Rove - Andrew Cuomo - Chris Christie aide Bridget Anne Kelly http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/5-examples-lawmaker... It definitely seems less than ideal for these rules to be abused like this. The problem is, how do you stop it? It's unreasonable to e…

Well, the specific law referenced here is a federal law which only applies to high ranking federal officials (e.g. Cabinet secretaries). It would apply to Clinton, but not to most of the people on your list. "The head of each Federal agency shall make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the age…

In the corporate world, the generally accepted internal policy is that email is not a system of record, and that when documents (including the email itself) are sent or received via email, those must be exported separately and saved in whatever is the system of record. This, of course, flies contrary to the trends in e-discovery from a prosecutorial point of view, but it does make sense.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by jgrowl »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #67
shortoncash wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't blame the public for this. I blame the media. Elections aren't won on the votes of principled liberals or conservatives. They're won based on the easy-votes of people who haven't dedicated the time to investigating whether there's substance behind any of the marketing claims of the two major parties. So what happens to these people during election season? Candidates are hidden from them, some candidates are g…

While I certainly agree the media has an agenda and feeds us what they want, the public has to take responsibility as well. Each of us is responsible for our own actions (in this case, votes). Also, that video was hilarious.

There is plenty of blame to go around on all sides. Personally I feel like our entire system is antiquated and is due for a modern update. Unfortunately, it would probably take a complete collapse to ever get real change and it would be a really dangerous during the transition period. Things are bad, but they could be a whole lot worse for sure.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

jeremyt wrote: post #13
mootothemax wrote: post #6

Hilary Clinton's not the first nor only politician guilty of doing this, NY Daily News just put together five other notables: - Sarah Palin - Mitt Romney - Karl Rove - Andrew Cuomo - Chris Christie aide Bridget Anne Kelly http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/5-examples-lawmaker... It definitely seems less than ideal for these rules to be abused like this. The problem is, how do you stop it? It's unreasonable to e…

Well, the specific law referenced here is a federal law which only applies to high ranking federal officials (e.g. Cabinet secretaries). It would apply to Clinton, but not to most of the people on your list. "The head of each Federal agency shall make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the age…

Palin used her yahoo account for state business. She did violate state law. I'm not familiar with the others, but the issue isn't so cut and dry.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by danielweber »

joezydeco wrote: post #22
mootothemax wrote: post #6

Hilary Clinton's not the first nor only politician guilty of doing this, NY Daily News just put together five other notables: - Sarah Palin - Mitt Romney - Karl Rove - Andrew Cuomo - Chris Christie aide Bridget Anne Kelly http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/5-examples-lawmaker... It definitely seems less than ideal for these rules to be abused like this. The problem is, how do you stop it? It's unreasonable to e…

Cuomo's case seems even more egregious. He's allowing the destruction of government emails while a federal corruption investigation is going on: http://www.ibtimes.com/amid-federal-corruption-probe-andrew-...

Given that's black-letter illegal, I think that article isn't being quite accurate.

You can have and create a document-deletion policy, no problem. But -- and I've had this drilled into me at multiple employers, because it's really important -- once you are told by legal that an investigation is under way, you don't delete them, no matter what, until legal tells you otherwise. You take active steps to preserve them if need be.

Cuomo's optics suck, but unless you think he's criminally insane, he wouldn't delete emails while investigators wanted emails preserved. There's some part of the story we haven't heard.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by joshuaheard »

pertinhower wrote: post #65

This is an unusually political post to have risen so high on Hacker News. Is that because of the significance of email to the story? The use of email in this case is not very technically interesting. Or is there some other attraction?

A hacker discovers a secret email account and server being run in violation of the law that could bring down the leading Democratic presidential candidate? That's Hacker News.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by jaynos »

Wissmania wrote: post #33

How is this supposed to be a scandal exactly? The issue seems to be that she could of hid something in her personal emails by not turning everything over. But couldn't any official have just used their gov email for "official business" and use their personal email for stuff they want to hide? Doesn't every politician actually do this? The fact that Clinton is letting personal correspondence mix with government corres…

>How is this supposed to be a scandal exactly?

Everything with the Clintons is a scandal, even when it isn't. She's known this for the past 20+ years. She should have known better.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by leesalminen »

mootothemax wrote: post #6

Hilary Clinton's not the first nor only politician guilty of doing this, NY Daily News just put together five other notables: - Sarah Palin - Mitt Romney - Karl Rove - Andrew Cuomo - Chris Christie aide Bridget Anne Kelly http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/5-examples-lawmaker... It definitely seems less than ideal for these rules to be abused like this. The problem is, how do you stop it? It's unreasonable to e…

Hillary Clinton's children are full grown. No babysitter situation there.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by danielweber »

uptown wrote: post #15
escapologybb wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds really interesting, have you got a source?

"The computer server that transmitted and received Hillary Rodham Clinton's emails — on a private account she used exclusively for official business when she was secretary of state — traced back to an Internet service registered to her family's home in Chappaqua, New York, according to Internet records reviewed by The Associated Press." [...] "Operating her own server would have afforded Clinton additional legal oppo…

And since the Secret Service was guarding Clinton's home, an email server there would have been well protected from theft or a physical hacking

You know what other email server is protected by the Secret Service? whitehouse.gov

Having stuff go through two email servers makes security strictly worse: any security flaws on either server exposes mail.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by mkempe »

sanderjd wrote: post #63
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I admit I'm a bit confused. I've read several articles about this and each have used rules and law almost interchangeable.

Yeah, the reporting on it hasn't been great, because the details aren't the story, the story is the name "Hillary Clinton". I'm very curious about the details of how this stuff works for all officials. Are there rules? What are they? Who do they apply to? Are there actual laws? If so, what are they? But "An Investigation Into Government Email Policy" would never be run on its own.

Why do you think General Petraeus just pleaded guilty in court? because of "rules" or "laws"? did Hillary Clinton send and store classified material with her non-government email account? will the law apply to her the way it has been applied to Petraeus?
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