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Re: Huawei Watch

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Post by nl »

sjwright wrote: post #129
nl wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course! All of that is completely correct. The point is that Apple often attacks other companies who make different trade-off decisions. Remember how they rubbished the idea of larger phones and said what a terrible idea that was? Turns out that it wasn't a terrible idea - there's a whole set of people it is better for.

Most hours of the day, I wish I hadn't upgraded my iPhone 5S to a 6 -- but I understand the superficial "pull" of the bigger screen is almost impossible to avoid, which is why I still use the 6. Believe me, there will be a iPhone 7 Mini. The 4 inch size is just too sensible to abandon.

Believe me, there will be a iPhone 7 Mini. The 4 inch size is just too sensible to abandon.

This is precisely the point.

There is such a diverse set of requirements that different outcomes depend on the priority you give to each one.

All too often Apple denies this in the quest for the "one true solution".

Re: Huawei Watch

#142

Post by nl »

mwfunk wrote: post #118
fpgeek wrote: post #78

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I think what's unusual about Apple here is: 1. How vehement their condemnation is (especially since, in retrospect, they're already busy working on exactly what they're condeming), 2. How quickly and comprehensively they flip the story when their version is ready and 3. How predictable this pattern is for them. Given past experience, I almost expect Apple to be working on actual toaster-fridges in a skunkworks projec…

I can't think of any instances of them vehemently condemning anything as a company. Some executive making snarky comments at a press event doesn't count, even if it spawns a gazillion outraged Reddit comments, and even if those snarky comments come from a co-founder of the company who was not known for his tact. In any event, just because an executive makes an abrasive comment about something doesn't mean that the ot…

I can't think of any instances of them vehemently condemning anything as a company. Some executive making snarky comments at a press event doesn't count, even if it spawns a gazillion outraged Reddit comments, and even if those snarky comments come from a co-founder of the company who was not known for his tact. In any event, just because an executive makes an abrasive comment about something doesn't mean that the other tens of thousands of people who work for that company shares those views.

Why don't you say it counts?

Ive or Jobs rubbishing other design choices is precisely what we are talking about here.

Re: Huawei Watch

#143

Post by wingerlang »

unwind wrote: post #140
wingerlang wrote: post #136

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I'm not defending their decision, it sucks that they did it like this. But reading the comments, people seem genuinely interested in the product but leave the page because they think it is "impossible" to navigate it? Come on.. How many ways to scroll a webpage are there anyway? Wheel/trackpad, space and key down. Are there more? Even if there is, these are the ones you'll obviously try first.

Page up/down, the scroll bar, click-and-drag to select and scroll are three more off the top of my head. Also, in the land of UX, your "obviously" is not always everybody else's.

Fair enough, although I'd still imagine the arrow down goes before any of those for most people.

Re: Huawei Watch

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Post by ch0wn »

angryasian wrote: post #81
acqq wrote: post #11

And this picture which is actually on huawei site as the part of the promo (!) illustrates the best why Jony Ive said (1) that "a circle doesn't make any sense" for a smartwatch: http://consumer.huawei.com/minisite/worldwide/huawei-watch/a... ---- 1) http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/23/shape-things-co...

as a moto 360 owner its hardly a problem. I can tell right away if its something I want to read in a glance, in this context from the picture alone. I'll immediately dismiss it, otherwise I'll scroll up for more information. Even with gmail notifications, this is not a problem. I think this entire quote by Ive is similar to Jobs argument, that 3.5" is perfect size or 10" tablet is the perfect size.

As an owner of the Samsung Gear Live (square) and Moto 360 (round) second this. The picture posted there is the preview of the actual message and it provides enough context to decide whether you want to swipe it up or not. Whether the message is truncated uniformly at the bottom or at some pieces to the sides doesn't make any difference in practice.

Re: Huawei Watch

#145

Post by john_other »

davej wrote: post #86
cromwellian wrote: post #51

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Ive also blasted the Moto X for offering so many customization choices and shipped a watch predicated on massive customization. Let's get one thing straight. Apple lambasts everyone else's designs until they adopt them. Recall that: 1) Mini-tablets are too small to be usable, you'd have to "file down your fingers to use them" 2) Large screen phones are a) things people don't want and b) don't fit your hand properly.…

Apple always has and always will talk down the type of products that it doesn't sell. Although, I do think they were on to something when they said that large screen phones are too big for your hand. Ironically I didn't buy an iPhone 6 and moved to my first Android for this reason. It's actually quite difficult now to find a decent spec phone that comfortably fits an average sized hand. Even the 'mini' phones have qu…

I similarly ended up with a Sony Z3 Compact. The ultra stamina mode is excellent. It shuts off all extraneous circuitry and you have to reboot to start up again. Meanwhile you're left with a minimalist greyscale screen with essential functions and a estimate of battery left. It's too optimistic I think but it will happily tell you there's ten days charge left on ultra stamina mode if you started with a full battery.

Re: Huawei Watch

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Post by userbinator »

tadfisher wrote: post #56
jkubicek wrote: post #12

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Because it looks terrible? http://i.glui.me/1EetEHO Why emphasize a major failing of your product?

95% of the time is showing a watch face. You can also pull up the "half-card" notification to read it just fine; the horizontal insets ensure the entire text on the card is readable when the notification is "expanded".

95% of the time is showing a watch face

...and the other 5% of the "time" is showing the hands? :-)

I think the biggest gripe with showing straight lines of text on what is essentially a curved viewport is that mix of curved/straight just doesn't feel quite right. It has the same feeling to me of looking at an old CRT TV with the corners of the image rounded off.

I don't know if displaying the text curved to match the screen would be any better...

Re: Huawei Watch

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Post by sjwright »

nl wrote: post #141
sjwright wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most hours of the day, I wish I hadn't upgraded my iPhone 5S to a 6 -- but I understand the superficial "pull" of the bigger screen is almost impossible to avoid, which is why I still use the 6. Believe me, there will be a iPhone 7 Mini. The 4 inch size is just too sensible to abandon.

Believe me, there will be a iPhone 7 Mini. The 4 inch size is just too sensible to abandon. This is precisely the point. There is such a diverse set of requirements that different outcomes depend on the priority you give to each one. All too often Apple denies this in the quest for the "one true solution".

Apple has offered their "one true solution" in many sizes before in the past; it's hardly unprecedented.

Re: Huawei Watch

#148

Post by sjwright »

wingerlang wrote: post #143
unwind wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Page up/down, the scroll bar, click-and-drag to select and scroll are three more off the top of my head. Also, in the land of UX, your "obviously" is not always everybody else's.

Fair enough, although I'd still imagine the arrow down goes before any of those for most people.

Most programmers, perhaps.

Re: Huawei Watch

#149

Post by wlesieutre »

john_other wrote: post #145
davej wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple always has and always will talk down the type of products that it doesn't sell. Although, I do think they were on to something when they said that large screen phones are too big for your hand. Ironically I didn't buy an iPhone 6 and moved to my first Android for this reason. It's actually quite difficult now to find a decent spec phone that comfortably fits an average sized hand. Even the 'mini' phones have qu…

I similarly ended up with a Sony Z3 Compact. The ultra stamina mode is excellent. It shuts off all extraneous circuitry and you have to reboot to start up again. Meanwhile you're left with a minimalist greyscale screen with essential functions and a estimate of battery left. It's too optimistic I think but it will happily tell you there's ten days charge left on ultra stamina mode if you started with a full battery.

Me three! The camera and flashlight are disappointing (my 3 year old 4S was brighter), but aside from that I really like the Z3C. I'm not exaggerating to say I've gotten 3 days of battery life without touching Stamina Mode or Ultra Stamina Mode.

Re: Huawei Watch

#150

Post by quanium1337 »

shubb wrote: post #87
quanium1337 wrote: post #84

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I don't know about the communist part, but Huawei is known to have links to the Chinese military. Given recent events about Lenovo and Superfish, it probably is wise to reaccess the security/privacy implications here and not just the shape of the watch.

If all your tech might be spying on you, you should pick the one not controlled by someone with legal authority in your local area... Unless you are working with military technology, or some real 'secret sauce' company confidential tech, you are probably not interesting to PRC but fascinating to the IRS...

I think this is probably why you mentioned IRS:

http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-buying-spying-equipmen...

But then again, if you don't belong to one of the groups "interesting" enough to the US government, you wouldn't care if your tech is bugged? Privacy should not be a means but an end in itself. If we all "have nothing to hide", then we should all use postcards for our mail.

Techs made by someone with _direct_ ties to the government are more likely to have surveillance capabilities baked in, and tend to be easier for government to access. Especially when that government is well known to engage in espionage by directly sponsoring cyber warfare carried out by military units.

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