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Pentagon’s $55B mystery plane is secret, but debate on cost is appearing

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The problem with such drones, is distance. Let's say Iran decides to take that approach. Then the question is: how far can they push those armed drones out from their operating bases. The answer is: not very far. So no, drones saturating defenses isn't a serious threat to nations or regional strength, only to very specific targets that are nearby (eg an aircraft carrier & crew dumb enough to park off the coast of Ira…

The problems with such drones is not distance. When you remove the whole wetware, and the systems to keep it alive you can reduce the weight of the aircraft substantially. Also it is threat for exactly the regional powers. Iran does not care about US, it cares for Iraq, Israel, Saudy Arabia, Egypt and Syria.

Not only you can reduce the mass of your aircraft, removing wetware also gives you ability to push it further in terms of speed and maneuverability. Current fighters are constrained by what pilot's body is capable of handling.

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Northrop Grumman seriously paid for a Super Bowl ad? Oh sure, next time I'm out shopping for a long range stealth bomber maybe I'll subconsciously remember the ad and choose a Northrop Grumman one. I've been a long time Boeing-Lockheed customer but the powerful imagery from that ad left quite the impression on me. I get that defense officials and congressmen watch the Super Bowl, but there must be more cost effective…

Typically ads like this are intended to buttress the companies stock price. You see them for similar companies like ADM or Monsanto that also don't sell to the general public. The intended audience is most likely investors.

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#43
The title is a bit misleading.

    Pentagon's $55B mystery plane is secret...
Yet the planes only cost half a billion each:

    ... The service estimates it will cost
    $55 billion to build as many as 100 of
    what it calls the Long Range Strike Bomber ...
Here I was thinking they built the most reckless single aircraft ever.

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Did I seriously just read a cry for "disrupting the combat aircraft market"? How about disrupting the tobacco business? Disrupting human traffic? Exaggerations aside, not everything is about making (or saving) money. I sure as hell don't want military weapons to become the latest startup trend.

There already are companies trying to disrupt the combat aircraft industry: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textron_AirLand_Scorpion

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#45

I think the key question for space and aviation enthusiasts is whether or not the Pentagon is building a hypersonic suborbital manned bomber. If they are -- and it's a big "if" -- then that means the technology for civilian use is just a couple/few decades away. I haven't seen the numbers, but in my mind the market for suborbital commercial flights, say, New York to Sydney in an hour or two, is already there. It's a…

I don't know, I don't think the market for any kind of supersonic passenger vehicle is there. Look at the Concord.

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Northrop Grumman seriously paid for a Super Bowl ad? Oh sure, next time I'm out shopping for a long range stealth bomber maybe I'll subconsciously remember the ad and choose a Northrop Grumman one. I've been a long time Boeing-Lockheed customer but the powerful imagery from that ad left quite the impression on me. I get that defense officials and congressmen watch the Super Bowl, but there must be more cost effective…

The article says the ad wasn't national and it only aired in the Washington and florida markets where their target demographics, politicians and employees of the contracting command reside.

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Aw, c'mon, nobody has mentioned Aurora yet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_%28aircraft%29

"Aw, c'mon, nobody has mentioned Aurora yet?" What on earth does that? "nobody has mentioned Aurora yet?" you've obviously checked nobody mentioned it, so why not just give us the link and say how it's relevant. "Aw, c'mon" what the hell is that? Who talks like that? What does "aw" mean? You're disappointed nobody has mentioned something is relevant? Why does that upset you? Why shorten "c'mon" from "come on" like th…

What died up your arse? The link is right there. Would you like me to click it for you?

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"Aw, c'mon, nobody has mentioned Aurora yet?" What on earth does that? "nobody has mentioned Aurora yet?" you've obviously checked nobody mentioned it, so why not just give us the link and say how it's relevant. "Aw, c'mon" what the hell is that? Who talks like that? What does "aw" mean? You're disappointed nobody has mentioned something is relevant? Why does that upset you? Why shorten "c'mon" from "come on" like th…

What died up your arse? The link is right there. Would you like me to click it for you?

I don't have a problem with the link or reading it myself.

I have a problem with 'Aw, c'mon, nobody has mentioned Aurora yet?'. What do you mean by 'Aw, c'mon'? That's an illiterate sentence. And why say 'nobody has mentioned it yet?' Why ask that question? Why not check for yourself if anyone has mentioned it yet?

What you probably meant was 'This may be related to the Aurora project [link]'.

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I think this is completely PR - they want to create buzz and excitement in the public for the "hot new spy plane" such that its politically impossible for congress to cancel the program/cut the budget.

I doubt it. There is a ton of war-weariness these days, and expensive military projects aren't very popular. Especially considering the utter fiasco that is the F-35 program, I really doubt the public is in the mental or emotional state to support another pricey project.

You say that like the public opinion matters at all.

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What died up your arse? The link is right there. Would you like me to click it for you?

I don't have a problem with the link or reading it myself. I have a problem with 'Aw, c'mon, nobody has mentioned Aurora yet?'. What do you mean by 'Aw, c'mon'? That's an illiterate sentence. And why say 'nobody has mentioned it yet?' Why ask that question? Why not check for yourself if anyone has mentioned it yet? What you probably meant was 'This may be related to the Aurora project [link]'.

Yet you start a sentence with "And", use single quotes inappropriately, and add absolutely nothing to the discussion, whereas I, colloquialisms notwithstanding, did.

Go and do something productive with your time - this isn't, and I'd bet it's just annoying both of us.

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