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Obama sharply criticizes China's plans for new technology rules

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Re: Obama sharply criticizes China's plans for new technology rules

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Post by iamben »

jMyles wrote: post #13
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on, are Obama and W much worse than Reagan, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Rossevelt? The US will keep using up the last of its credibility year after year, and of course that just means it isn't.

I'll bite. Yes, in terms of foreign policy, I think that W and especially Obama have been profoundly, historically, difficult-to-believe bad. I'm not trying to downplay Iran-Contra, Gulf of Tonkin / Vietnam, etc., but the last two administrations have taken what was unduly hostile (and expensive) logistical capability around the world and turned it into Empire. The needs, wants, representative processes, laws, and so…

Serious question - do you think it has anything to do with both of these being 'internet age' Presidents?

I mean, prior to 2001 the web wasn't what it is today - but now news/information/opinion/whistleblowing/whatever spreads quickly and easily and reaches pretty much everyone. Could it not just be that it's harder to be clandestine and easier to speak out / monitor everything?

Re: Obama sharply criticizes China's plans for new technology rules

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Post by crazychrome »

jMyles wrote: post #13
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on, are Obama and W much worse than Reagan, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Rossevelt? The US will keep using up the last of its credibility year after year, and of course that just means it isn't.

I'll bite. Yes, in terms of foreign policy, I think that W and especially Obama have been profoundly, historically, difficult-to-believe bad. I'm not trying to downplay Iran-Contra, Gulf of Tonkin / Vietnam, etc., but the last two administrations have taken what was unduly hostile (and expensive) logistical capability around the world and turned it into Empire. The needs, wants, representative processes, laws, and so…

I'm no fan of either Obama or W, but I do think your comment is unfair. The truth is, given the peak status US enjoyed, there is no foreign policy would bring meaningful and tangible benefit to people of USA. It's a typical diminishing marginal utility situation.

Re: Obama sharply criticizes China's plans for new technology rules

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Post by SeanDav »

China is only trying to be upfront and public about things the US and Western countries have been doing in private for years.

That is not to say I approve, (I do not) but my respect for Chinese authorities just went up a notch. The good thing about this is that it brings debate far more into the open and shines a light on some very shady policies.

Re: Obama sharply criticizes China's plans for new technology rules

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Post by [deleted] »

NietTim wrote: post #19
gygygy wrote: post #12

Wait, wasn't it his own government which decided to spy on their own people ? Didn't he force his own country's companies to spy on his own people? I used to like obama a lot. Used to...

It's only bad if others do it, because he is the good guy! Right guys?

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Re: Obama sharply criticizes China's plans for new technology rules

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Post by mycroft-holmes »

NietTim wrote: post #20
shit_parade wrote: post #17

It would be funny if it wasn't the fact that deranged, warmongering nuts like Obama run America.

Hm. I'm no particular fan of Obama, but warmonger? Why that? It's not like he started a war for false reasons or anything like that, right?

Continued wars. Drone strike killed an American citizen. Didn't close Guantanamo. Engaged in new wars. If all this had been done under a president named Bush the left would be outraged.

Re: Obama sharply criticizes China's plans for new technology rules

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Post by dredmorbius »

fit2rule wrote: post #9
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on, are Obama and W much worse than Reagan, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Rossevelt? The US will keep using up the last of its credibility year after year, and of course that just means it isn't.

Carter replenished the national credibility account?

He's the only U.S. President in a long time to have no US troops deployed in combat, as I recall. Definitely since WWII, possibly WWI or earlier.

Re: Obama sharply criticizes China's plans for new technology rules

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Post by Lingster »

NietTim wrote: post #20
shit_parade wrote: post #17

It would be funny if it wasn't the fact that deranged, warmongering nuts like Obama run America.

Hm. I'm no particular fan of Obama, but warmonger? Why that? It's not like he started a war for false reasons or anything like that, right?

So killing people with drones and driving countries in civil war by that doesn't fall in this category?

Re: Obama sharply criticizes China's plans for new technology rules

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

shit_parade wrote: post #17

It would be funny if it wasn't the fact that deranged, warmongering nuts like Obama run America.

I wouldn't call Obama a warmonger - after all, a lot of his efforts went into undoing his predecessor's work, getting the military out of Iraq and Afghanistan, dismantling Guantanamo Bay, that kinda stuff. Any new operations started under his presidency were relatively small and in cooperation with other international armies in comparison.

Re: Obama sharply criticizes China's plans for new technology rules

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Post by shillster »

SeanDav wrote: post #23

China is only trying to be upfront and public about things the US and Western countries have been doing in private for years. That is not to say I approve, (I do not) but my respect for Chinese authorities just went up a notch. The good thing about this is that it brings debate far more into the open and shines a light on some very shady policies.

This is what has to happen to raise the bar.
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