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Re: New Data Show How Firms Like Infosys and Tata Abuse the H-1B Program

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Post by nothrabannosir »

glesica wrote: post #80
nothrabannosir wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have ~this the other way around: the Dutch American Friendship Treaty allows US citizens to come to Holland and start a business (freelancer is Okay). You need 4.5K capital, sustained, and it renews every 2 years. I would love it if the US could reciprocate :( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAFT_%28treaty%29

That is very interesting, I didn't know about it. I feel like the capital requirement still means that it isn't for "labor" though. For instance, can people using that program get jobs? I wish my country, and others, would lower these sorts of barriers and let people go wherever they can be successful and happy.

I'm not sure, I suspect it's only a residency permit, not a work permit. Never investigated it further.

You can, however, become a freelancer. Not the same, but close enough. If this were not just US->NL but USNL, that would be swell.

Re: New Data Show How Firms Like Infosys and Tata Abuse the H-1B Program

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Post by yummyfajitas »

dropit_sphere wrote: post #76
yummyfajitas wrote: post #49

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Indians born in India are people too, yet people are advocating for economic protectionism against them. (Really, they are - I live in India, so if they weren't I'd be super lonely.) You drew an arbitrary line at "patriotism" before. Why "patriotism (USA)" rather than "white nationalism" or "patriotism (CA)"? Just your personal preference? Only if one believed that black are somehow inferior would that be a logical c…

> Why "patriotism (USA)" rather than "white nationalism" or "patriotism (CA)"? Just your personal preference? Not just mine, but the vast majority of the US. And "personal preference" goes by a name---voting.

So basically, only thing wrong with Jim Crow is that it is now unpopular? And if it becomes popular again, we should bring it back?

Democracy is a pretty scary moral philosophy.

Re: New Data Show How Firms Like Infosys and Tata Abuse the H-1B Program

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Post by Klockan »

swatow wrote: post #27
cubano wrote: post #23

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> The right want people to think that capitalism is magic, because they don't even want redistribution, which mainstream economists believe is something the market cannot do itself, and must be done by the government. The "government" is nothing but a collection of people who have used political acumen, and not technical or business skills, to gain control of a system. They are really no different from the executives…

I think you're wrong about the government. It has many caring and dedicated people, who want to make the nation, and the world, better. And I think most politicians truly believe in what they claim to stand for. So stating what the government should do is productive and important, because ultimately it guides what politicians do. The ideology I support is free market economics with generous redistribution and governm…

Their pay hinges on your belief that they care about you which is why they learn to act. Well acted kindness will always seem better than sincere kindness. Just look at movies if you don't believe me, the good actors there seem more living and real than your average joe on the street. And above all they wouldn't let others write their speeches if they were sincere.

Re: New Data Show How Firms Like Infosys and Tata Abuse the H-1B Program

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Post by supercanuck »

mc32 wrote: post #33

Can someone explain to me why H1Bs are problematic? They are an immigrant workforce just like the people who cross the border illegally. Yes, immigrants, by increasing supply do have a depressing effect on wages, but, in a global economy, don't we also believe in a global workforce? People seem to have a problem with H1Bs, but people are happy to enjoy the benefits of cheap fruit and vegetables possible with labor of…

The issue I have is not with Immigration, it is with the H1-B System. Because of the limited supply of H1-B's and the nature of them to tie the visa holder to an employer with the carrot of a green card (some day), is ripe for abuse by suppressing wages, which appears to be exactly what is happening. The supply of H1-B's is not necessarily the problem, it is the nature that they tie them to a particular employer. The offer of a "green card" some day, has value or acts as a bonus that citizens cannot compete with, so H1-B's salaries can be lower because the promise of a green card has value.

Re: New Data Show How Firms Like Infosys and Tata Abuse the H-1B Program

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Post by dominotw »

tonymillion wrote: post #71
venomsnake wrote: post #62

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The problem with H1B is that you are serf to your sponsor. If H1B was instead work visa that once you enter the US, you are free to work for 10 years the situation would have been different.

You are free to move on a H1B as long as you find a new employer willing to sponsor it - Bonus: you don't even need to go through the procedure again with USCIS

>Bonus: you don't even need to go through the procedure again with USCIS Wrong.

Re: New Data Show How Firms Like Infosys and Tata Abuse the H-1B Program

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Post by nigelk »

dominotw wrote: post #86
tonymillion wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are free to move on a H1B as long as you find a new employer willing to sponsor it - Bonus: you don't even need to go through the procedure again with USCIS

>Bonus: you don't even need to go through the procedure again with USCIS Wrong.

Not right, but not entirely wrong either.

The process for an internal, expedited H1b transfer is significantly simpler than an H1b from scratch.

Re: New Data Show How Firms Like Infosys and Tata Abuse the H-1B Program

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Post by mc32 »

307TempRedirect wrote: post #64
mc32 wrote: post #33

Can someone explain to me why H1Bs are problematic? They are an immigrant workforce just like the people who cross the border illegally. Yes, immigrants, by increasing supply do have a depressing effect on wages, but, in a global economy, don't we also believe in a global workforce? People seem to have a problem with H1Bs, but people are happy to enjoy the benefits of cheap fruit and vegetables possible with labor of…

"don't we also believe in a global workforce?" Evidently not, as foreign doctors aren't allowed to immigrate to the US and practice medicine without first going through a costly and onerous relicensing program. As it stands, all foreign doctors, even from first-world nations with statistically better health outcomes than the US like Germany or Japan are all deemed unqualified to practice medicine in the US: http://ww…

You are quite right. People don't care if uneducated or undereducated immigrants come in to the country --except for a few "nationalists". But over all people don't care or actively support immigration, which is a good thing -bettering people's prospects in life.

However, it is quite evident that professionals are _against_ immigration of other professionals because that directly threatens their professional stability.

So, we know immigration, on the whole is good. We know that immigration from poor countries allows those people to better their lives -at the expense of undereducated (blue collar) locals. But professionals don't quite care, actually, we prefer this since it makes products and services cheaper for us. But once the immigration threatens our lifestyles, then on, no, immigration is bad it drives down wages, it threatens quality of work, it allows exploitation and so on. When push comes to shove, we're all protectionists of varying degrees.

Re: New Data Show How Firms Like Infosys and Tata Abuse the H-1B Program

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Post by akshatpradhan »

boca wrote: post #8

I don't understand why they would compare the average wage of all H1B workers spread throughout the US against that of a particular job title (Computer Systems Analyst) in Los Angeles CA. Wages obviously vary by job title and location. No surprises that wages in CA are higher. I searched to see what Infosys (1) and TCS (2) actually pay a "Computer Systems Analyst" and found: - For Infosys, there's only one result for…

This company on the HN "Who's hiring" thread is paying $60k-$80k: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9127461

Or how about this company paying $70k-$90k https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9128292

Or this one at $70-$100k https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9128067

InfoSys and Tata actually seem to be paying more than these US Companies.

Re: New Data Show How Firms Like Infosys and Tata Abuse the H-1B Program

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Post by coldtea »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #83
dropit_sphere wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why "patriotism (USA)" rather than "white nationalism" or "patriotism (CA)"? Just your personal preference? Not just mine, but the vast majority of the US. And "personal preference" goes by a name---voting.

So basically, only thing wrong with Jim Crow is that it is now unpopular? And if it becomes popular again, we should bring it back? Democracy is a pretty scary moral philosophy.

>So basically, only thing wrong with Jim Crow is that it is now unpopular? And if it becomes popular again, we should bring it back?

Why, has there been another measure of good in human history? (If one doesn't believe in any divine being handing down laws that is).

And I don't get the "moral high ground in hindsight" thing. If you lived in 1890, statistics say you'd most probably be all for Jim Crow too.

>Democracy is a pretty scary moral philosophy.

Better than the capitalism, which has no morals at all outside what society enforces upon it. If it could sell crack to small children or use people as slaves it would (and it does).

Where the main justification is the BS fabrication that "egotism works for the good of all in the end".

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