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Bitcoin is not for goverment. Bitcoin is digital currency of the internet

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Re: Bitcoin is not for goverment. Bitcoin is digital currency of the internet

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Another reason deflationary currency is perceived as bad is not just because it makes life harder for debt owners, but because it can lead to its own form of boom-and-bust cycles by reducing economic activity. If you know, for example, that your cash holdings were going to grow at 10% per year, then you'd be far less willing to spend any or invest in other assets, as merely putting bitcoin under a mattress increases…

> you'd be far less willing to spend any or invest ... This will reduce consumption and investment in the larger economy Or maybe consumers will stop buying the latest and greatest just because advertisers convinced them it will make them happy. Instead, consumers will demand higher quality products, which increases overall spending on R&D instead and decreases spending on marketing. Then we will all have better prod…

We have a deflationary economy in Japan. It's been going on for two decades now. Let's see how it shapes out. They are the canary. We will all be there one day. The world can't continue growing indefinitely. Most countries have stabilizing populations, so all we have now are 'emerging economies' They are picking up the slack for the time being.

At the sane time I dont see distributed production manufacturing of bespoke products or services as the answer. A modern twist on artisanal/guild like system of the past seems like a 'pastoral dream' as it were.

Still the neo liberal economic system is reaching its useful life and I don't think it will end up lil Moore's law where they keep finding ways to keep the 'law' viable.

Re: Bitcoin is not for goverment. Bitcoin is digital currency of the internet

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Another reason deflationary currency is perceived as bad is not just because it makes life harder for debt owners, but because it can lead to its own form of boom-and-bust cycles by reducing economic activity. If you know, for example, that your cash holdings were going to grow at 10% per year, then you'd be far less willing to spend any or invest in other assets, as merely putting bitcoin under a mattress increases…

> you'd be far less willing to spend any or invest ... This will reduce consumption and investment in the larger economy Or maybe consumers will stop buying the latest and greatest just because advertisers convinced them it will make them happy. Instead, consumers will demand higher quality products, which increases overall spending on R&D instead and decreases spending on marketing. Then we will all have better prod…

You're making the mistake here of assuming that the problems of deflationary currency are related to consumer habits. The real problem is related to business habits. If your cash holdings are growing at 10%/year, you would be downright stupid to hire someone unless they can guarantee a greater than 10% return. If you're a capital holder (like a VC) you would be stupid to invest in businesses that can't guarantee that kind of growth either.

Lots of the economy shuts down during deflationary periods, it's why we typically try to avoid them.

Re: Bitcoin is not for goverment. Bitcoin is digital currency of the internet

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Another reason deflationary currency is perceived as bad is not just because it makes life harder for debt owners, but because it can lead to its own form of boom-and-bust cycles by reducing economic activity. If you know, for example, that your cash holdings were going to grow at 10% per year, then you'd be far less willing to spend any or invest in other assets, as merely putting bitcoin under a mattress increases…

> you'd be far less willing to spend any or invest ... This will reduce consumption and investment in the larger economy Or maybe consumers will stop buying the latest and greatest just because advertisers convinced them it will make them happy. Instead, consumers will demand higher quality products, which increases overall spending on R&D instead and decreases spending on marketing. Then we will all have better prod…

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Re: Bitcoin is not for goverment. Bitcoin is digital currency of the internet

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> you'd be far less willing to spend any or invest ... This will reduce consumption and investment in the larger economy Or maybe consumers will stop buying the latest and greatest just because advertisers convinced them it will make them happy. Instead, consumers will demand higher quality products, which increases overall spending on R&D instead and decreases spending on marketing. Then we will all have better prod…

Agree completely. The argument that mindless consumption is a good thing just because it drives the economy is short-sighted and ridiculous. If money itself is wealth-generating then people are going to be much more mindful about their spending on worthless shit that serves no purpose other than to stall the degradation of their wealth and entertain then temporarily at the cost of our environment.

Money is fungible, you can already swap it for something worth more in the future.

Re: Bitcoin is not for goverment. Bitcoin is digital currency of the internet

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Bloated governments are grasping at straws. Look at the US with FATCA, taxing it's citizens wherever they are. I prefer to keep socking away savings in my offline bitcoin account and then exchanging it for Euros when I'm back home. Just look at all the people who had 'safe' accounts in Cyprus, or in the US underwritten by FannieMae. Bitcoin is the Libertarian's / Anarcho-Capitalist's dream; true freedom from the whim…

I agree with everything except your last sentence. Don't associate bitcoin with libertarians and anarco-capitalists. It deserves better.

Re: Bitcoin is not for goverment. Bitcoin is digital currency of the internet

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Except they would have to also create their own mining industry to secure it, or enemy countries could easily attack it.

Why would they allow other actors to be part of their mining?

The real question is why would a government use a Bitcoin clone, instead of either traditional fiat or just Bitcoin.

Re: Bitcoin is not for goverment. Bitcoin is digital currency of the internet

#39
Bitcoin is not viable. A centralized fiat crypto currency, with the same mechanism as bitcoin except centrally authorized by government authority rather than mined is very viable for a government. All transactions become trackable and every cent in circulation can be accounted for.

Re: Bitcoin is not for goverment. Bitcoin is digital currency of the internet

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Agree completely. The argument that mindless consumption is a good thing just because it drives the economy is short-sighted and ridiculous. If money itself is wealth-generating then people are going to be much more mindful about their spending on worthless shit that serves no purpose other than to stall the degradation of their wealth and entertain then temporarily at the cost of our environment.

Money is fungible, you can already swap it for something worth more in the future.

You do know that there's a negative interest rate in the Euro financial zone right? They are charging you to hold on to cash to force you to spend (or "invest") it now.

How can the future hold value when technology continues to drive the cost of living down? Can capitalism continue when I have all of the world's information available on my $300-700 smartphone? When I can connect with anyone in the world for pennies?

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