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Why is clockwise Clockwise? (2008)

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Re: Why is clockwise Clockwise? (2008)

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Is it just me, or does it make no sense to call clockwise "left to right?" After all, when the (end of the) hand of a clock goes around the circle, it goes just as much right to left as it goes left to right, while going clockwise all the time ...

It certainly makes sense for an object encircling you. For a wall clock it then comes down to whether you imagine yourself standing out from the wall on the clock face, or if you are burried into the wall. The first is perhaps the most obvious imagination chosen by most people.

Re: Why is clockwise Clockwise? (2008)

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Is it just me, or does it make no sense to call clockwise "left to right?" After all, when the (end of the) hand of a clock goes around the circle, it goes just as much right to left as it goes left to right, while going clockwise all the time ...

Yes, it depends whether you watch the upper part of the circle, or the bottom part.

But people imagine drawing circle starting at the top, so it makes some sense.

BTW: right is Right, and left is "sinister", so to go from sinister to Right is good, and to go the other way is bad.

BTW2 - in my native language (Polish) the association are similar - prawy (right) means also "virtous", and "lewy" (left) means "counterfeited", "illegal".

Re: Why is clockwise Clockwise? (2008)

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> It seems to be a peculiarity of our human nature that if we are watching the movement of a stick's shadow, that we face north to do so.

No, it just logic. If you're standing south of the stick (facing north), the stick's shadow will move in (roughly) a half-circle throughout the day, starting at the left of the stick, moving right and up (while contracting) to vertical (pointing north), and then extending further to the right until it reaches (almost) east. It will be shorter in the summer and longer in the winter. You could also watch this "from above" (north of the stick, facing south), but if you're south of the stick, looking at the movement of the shadow in the half circle is quite similar to looking at the movement of the sun in the sky (except in the opposite direction).

Most things are reversed if you're in the southern hemisphere.

Re: Why is clockwise Clockwise? (2008)

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Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, but does anyone know what generated that page? I really enjoyed the page separators and how that was done to pace the reading, even if it is completely useless in a webpage-format. Thank you.

Re: Why is clockwise Clockwise? (2008)

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post #10
post #5

Is it just me, or does it make no sense to call clockwise "left to right?" After all, when the (end of the) hand of a clock goes around the circle, it goes just as much right to left as it goes left to right, while going clockwise all the time ...

True, I always think the same thing. But if a wheel was rotating clockwise, it would be moving from left to right. That could be where it comes from.

Depends on if contact is made to the top or the bottom of the wheel. (sorry)

Re: Why is clockwise Clockwise? (2008)

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post #14

Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, but does anyone know what generated that page? I really enjoyed the page separators and how that was done to pace the reading, even if it is completely useless in a webpage-format. Thank you.

I don't believe it was generated. Knowing that SoverNet is a internet provider for northern NY and especially VT, I am assuming that this was 'hand-crafted' using a simple (circa 2000) table format with BR elements blocking it out. A quick bit of sleuthing about the author seems to corroborate my assumptions.

Re: Why is clockwise Clockwise? (2008)

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post #5

Is it just me, or does it make no sense to call clockwise "left to right?" After all, when the (end of the) hand of a clock goes around the circle, it goes just as much right to left as it goes left to right, while going clockwise all the time ...

My guess is that it comes from us considering the top of things to be generally more important than the bottom.

And that it's been very much internalized by anyone who drives a car. Turning right? Top of the wheel goes right. Disregard bottom of wheel.

Re: Why is clockwise Clockwise? (2008)

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Regarding the questions at the bottom, much of this is believed to do with one leg being more dominant than the other.

The stronger leg may take longer strides. This manifests in surprising emergent phenomena. Grocery stores for instance tend to be laid out so you enter on the right by the veggies and circle around the back to the meats and dairies and come around the left to check out.

This isn't just limited to humans. Bees will spiral CCW when climbing. Wounded deer tend to drift left after being shot.

Simone Kosig's conclusion is even more surprising: "The basic driver behind this phenomenon seems to be the fact that all cells in nature are composed of amino acids which have a left spin. Chemists can manufacture amino acids with a right spin, yet we can't use them. Apparently both types of amino acids existed in the primordial soup at the beginning of life hundreds of million years ago. Yet life developed only from those with a left spin. The favorite theory is that at that time - when the earth did not yet have the protective ozone shield - radioactive rays from the cosmos did more harm to the amino acids with a right spin. Yet why those with a left spin would be more protected - if at all - is still a mystery."[1]

[1] http://www.somatics.de/artikel/for-professionals/2-article/2...

Re: Why is clockwise Clockwise? (2008)

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post #14

Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, but does anyone know what generated that page? I really enjoyed the page separators and how that was done to pace the reading, even if it is completely useless in a webpage-format. Thank you.

I expect they are not generated but hand written, like so many pages from the 90s. There are more examples with a similar but different format¹, and the whole site structure looks antique.

I also enjoyed it, as well as the cleanliness of the whole page. And I found that URW Palladio L is a quite pleasant font.

¹ http://homepages.sover.net/~donnl/iiiivsiv.html

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