I can't help but correlate her immigration tactics with the greed & character flaws necessary for many traders & ibankers to pursue this type of career. I'll continue to beat the dead horse by saying "what a waste of talent."
How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs
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Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Well, when we look back on history, the progress of Western civilization and human rights is actually founded on the violation of law. America was of course born out of a violent revolution that was an outrageous treason against the crown and established order of the day. History shows that the righting of historical wrongs is often born from acts of unrepentant criminality. Slavery. The protection of persecuted Jew…
Yes, unjust laws should be ignored. Is it unjust for a culture to attempt to regulate the rate at which it admits outsiders? I don't think so. As outsiders enter an organisation, they both alter it and are altered by it; if too many enter it before they are altered by it (i.e., assimilated), then the organisation fundamentally changes. We all know that this is true of startups; if a startup grows too quickly, it risk…
> Incidentally, Edward Snowden should be hanged by the neck until dead; quoting him is hardly compelling.
Hopefully we can continue to marginalize people with such an opinion. Exposing government corruption should never be a capital offense.
Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, unjust laws should be ignored. Is it unjust for a culture to attempt to regulate the rate at which it admits outsiders? I don't think so. As outsiders enter an organisation, they both alter it and are altered by it; if too many enter it before they are altered by it (i.e., assimilated), then the organisation fundamentally changes. We all know that this is true of startups; if a startup grows too quickly, it risk…
> Incidentally, Edward Snowden should be hanged by the neck until dead; quoting him is hardly compelling. Hopefully we can continue to marginalize people with such an opinion. Exposing government corruption should never be a capital offense.
> Exposing government corruption should never be a capital offense.
Betraying one's country should always be a capital offense. Snowden violated his NDA; he betrayed his colleagues and his fellow citizens; he fled into the hands of China and Russia; he revealed legitimate and legal operations which he had no business revealing. He's a traitor.
Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Incidentally, Edward Snowden should be hanged by the neck until dead; quoting him is hardly compelling. Hopefully we can continue to marginalize people with such an opinion. Exposing government corruption should never be a capital offense.
> Exposing government corruption should never be a capital offense. Betraying one's country should always be a capital offense. Snowden violated his NDA; he betrayed his colleagues and his fellow citizens; he fled into the hands of China and Russia; he revealed legitimate and legal operations which he had no business revealing. He's a traitor.
Any plans for calling for the dismantling of the NSA for blatantly violating the constitutional rights of millions of Americans?
If I want someone hung or burned at the stake, its those who trample the civil rights of myself and my fellow citizen for the illusion of safety when none can be guaranteed.
Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs
#55Wait, how did she get a proper green card? I know she married a US citizen but why didn't the government notice that she'd been in the country illegally? I mean she didn't materialize out of thin air. She had a fake SSN, fake tax records and apparently tax problems, etc. Also, now that she came out, can her citizenship be revoked? She was in the country illegally for more than a decade, worked illegally, and apparent…
There are situations under which your previous status is not an issue for getting a green card; i think being a victim of human crime and marriage are two such situations.
I agree that you cannot or should not punish someone for something that they had no control over. If you're the victim of human trafficking, you didn't choose to break the law.
And I guess the same reasoning can be applied to minors that were brought to the US by their parents. They weren't asked. They had no choice.
So I shouldn't be too sore about her story because she just tried to make the best of the bad situation that her parents got her into. But somehow the article rubs me the wrong way.
It seems odd to me too that Texas and maybe other states would allow illegal immigrants to attend college but give them no perspective on what to do afterwards with their degrees. Maybe they should have petitioned the federal government to go along with: "Alright, you came here illegally as a minor. We're going to ignore that and let you start over now that you're 18. So here's your F1 student visa if you want to stay."
Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Exposing government corruption should never be a capital offense. Betraying one's country should always be a capital offense. Snowden violated his NDA; he betrayed his colleagues and his fellow citizens; he fled into the hands of China and Russia; he revealed legitimate and legal operations which he had no business revealing. He's a traitor.
Any plans for calling for the dismantling of the NSA for blatantly violating the constitutional rights of millions of Americans? If I want someone hung or burned at the stake, its those who trample the civil rights of myself and my fellow citizen for the illusion of safety when none can be guaranteed.
> Any plans for calling for the dismantling of the NSA for blatantly violating the constitutional rights of millions of Americans?
It has not done that. It may or may not have violated what you (and possibly I) might like those rights to be. But wanting doesn't make something so. I would love to restrict subpoena power solely to defendants compelling testimony in their defense, but until it has been so restricted, anyone can be forced to provide evidence to the state. I would love for the Fourth Amendment to apply at border crossings, but the courts—to include the Supreme Court—have repeatedly held that it does not.
The law is not what we want, but what it is. So far as I am aware, NSA has consistently acted within the limits of the law, as interpreted by the courts for decades and centuries. Acting within the limits of the law, incidentally, is precisely what neither Mr. Snowden nor Miss Arce did.
Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs
#57I hate the phrase 'undocumented immigrant.' It's not like she had some documents and—whoops!—lost them. She had documents from Mexico (presumably); she had expired documents from the United States. She was an alien whose residence in the United States was illegal; the phrase 'illegal alien' is completely accurate. The phrase 'illegal immigrant' is also accurate in her case, since she intended to stay here for good. >…
She was a minor when she came over. She was just trying to survive and succeed and the laws made it difficult for her to do so. Up until the 1960s, blacks were not allowed basic rights and access to many thing, and doing so was considered "criminal". Ditto with gays until recently. So, anyone fighting against unjust laws are "criminals?
> She was a minor when she came over. She was just trying to survive and succeed and the laws made it difficult for her to do so.
Her parents brought her in on a tourist visa at 11, which expired when she was 14. She was only here for three years legally; her family could—and should—have returned to Mexico. Mexico is not some third-world hellhole; it's a developed and civilised country (yes, there's drug violence in some parts; it's still one of the nicer countries in the world). It's hardly like they were refugees from the Sudan.
Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
She was a minor when she came over. She was just trying to survive and succeed and the laws made it difficult for her to do so. Up until the 1960s, blacks were not allowed basic rights and access to many thing, and doing so was considered "criminal". Ditto with gays until recently. So, anyone fighting against unjust laws are "criminals?
> She was a minor when she came over. She was just trying to survive and succeed and the laws made it difficult for her to do so. Her parents brought her in on a tourist visa at 11, which expired when she was 14. She was only here for three years legally; her family could—and should—have returned to Mexico. Mexico is not some third-world hellhole; it's a developed and civilised country (yes, there's drug violence in…
We should walk in someone else's shoes first before judging what they could and should do. We have no idea what her personal circumstances were.
But whatever her parents did or could do, she had little choice in it as a minor.