How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs • Hacker News Board

Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs

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Post by hyperliner » Wed, Feb 25, 2015, 4:31 PM UTC

huherto wrote: post #16

hyperliner wrote: post #7

The problem with the issue of illegal immigration in the US is that is has become too politicized, and the issues that relate to millions of people take precedence over the issues of attracting the fewer immigrants who bring a certain skill to the country. I am going to criticize her approach a little first. She was a minor when coming over, but she did knowingly throw her employer under the bus as an adult who did n…

> America try to have it both ways by "not wanting them" but "wanting the cheap tomatoes at the supermarket." That is for another thread. Increased security at the border is keeping people in the USA. They would return to their families if they could, but they have to stay here because crossing back and forth is too dangerous. They should be able to come to the farms in the USA seasonally, help and go back to their f…

That seems to be a formal, properly managed program with a specific need.

I was referring to both sides of the argument: people simply skip the line too, which screws people who stood in an orderly line. So with both sides screwed up (people skipping the line and Americans going "I dont want them but I want the cheap produce and the cheap nanny"), no wonder it is a free for all.

Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs

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Post by hyperliner » Wed, Feb 25, 2015, 4:33 PM UTC

littletimmy wrote: post #20

sparkzilla wrote: post #15

She should have gone through the process like everyone else. I invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in my business to get a visa, spending all of that money on American suppliers and employing Americans. Now that the business failed I have to leave the U.S., taking my kids out of their schools, and start the process all over again, taking even more time, expense and disruption. But I am not going to break the la…

She should suffer because you suffered? I sympathize with you but that's not good logic.

His argument is that she should have followed the rules. It was not about suffering.

My argument somewhere else in this thread is that the system has become an insane one.

Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs

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Post by hartator » Wed, Feb 25, 2015, 4:35 PM UTC

kingmanaz wrote: post #5

zghst wrote: post #2

"Undocumented Immigrant"

Illegal Alien. "But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought." ― Orwell, "1984"

Presumably illegal alien. Only a court of law can say what's legal or not. #Democracy

Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs

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Post by mcantelon » Wed, Feb 25, 2015, 4:36 PM UTC

kingmanaz wrote: post #5

zghst wrote: post #2

"Undocumented Immigrant"

Illegal Alien. "But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought." ― Orwell, "1984"

It would be interesting to read a case study on how a small cultural change such as this is pushed. The fact that this wording change is being pushed is, in itself, a signal that a societal power seeks to change how we think of illegal immigration. As with many pushes, such as the push to accept the idea of globalization, a moral argument is used to convince the petite bourgeoisie of the worth of something that members of the ruling class want.

Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs

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Post by sparkzilla » Wed, Feb 25, 2015, 4:37 PM UTC

hyperliner wrote: post #18

sparkzilla wrote: post #15

She should have gone through the process like everyone else. I invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in my business to get a visa, spending all of that money on American suppliers and employing Americans. Now that the business failed I have to leave the U.S., taking my kids out of their schools, and start the process all over again, taking even more time, expense and disruption. But I am not going to break the la…

I assume you have contacted an immigration lawyer for your options correct? Sorry to hear about that.

Thank you for your sympathy. There's actually very little leeway in the immigration process for a lawyer to work any magic -- they mainly just help with processing applications and making sure you comply with the rules.

Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs

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Post by 001sky » Wed, Feb 25, 2015, 4:45 PM UTC

refurb wrote: post #12

Incredulous42 wrote: post #9

Wait, how did she get a proper green card? I know she married a US citizen but why didn't the government notice that she'd been in the country illegally? I mean she didn't materialize out of thin air. She had a fake SSN, fake tax records and apparently tax problems, etc. Also, now that she came out, can her citizenship be revoked? She was in the country illegally for more than a decade, worked illegally, and apparent…

My understanding is that under certain circumstances, such as marrying a US citizen, the USCIS can ignore any past violations of immigration law.[1] "If you are a foreign citizen who is in the United States without permission, having overstayed your visa, you can indeed cure the problem if you enter into a bona fide (real) marriage with a U.S. citizen and then apply for adjustment of status (a green card)." You are c…

It's worth nothing that there is a large fraudulent market for marriages in the US, precisely for this reason.

Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs

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Post by kiba » Wed, Feb 25, 2015, 4:46 PM UTC

sparkzilla wrote: post #15

She should have gone through the process like everyone else. I invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in my business to get a visa, spending all of that money on American suppliers and employing Americans. Now that the business failed I have to leave the U.S., taking my kids out of their schools, and start the process all over again, taking even more time, expense and disruption. But I am not going to break the la…

As usual, the people who abide by the rules get screwed, while those who break them, not only thrive, but get written about as some kind of heroes.

Did she steal, defraud, or harm anyone?

If she contributed something of economic value, why are you so against her staying?

Maybe you should blame the immigration process instead.

Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs

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Post by rokhayakebe » Wed, Feb 25, 2015, 4:46 PM UTC

Incredulous42 wrote: post #9

Wait, how did she get a proper green card? I know she married a US citizen but why didn't the government notice that she'd been in the country illegally? I mean she didn't materialize out of thin air. She had a fake SSN, fake tax records and apparently tax problems, etc. Also, now that she came out, can her citizenship be revoked? She was in the country illegally for more than a decade, worked illegally, and apparent…

There are situations under which your previous status is not an issue for getting a green card; i think being a victim of human crime and marriage are two such situations.

Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs

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Post by wtbob » Wed, Feb 25, 2015, 4:47 PM UTC

I hate the phrase 'undocumented immigrant.' It's not like she had some documents and—whoops!—lost them. She had documents from Mexico (presumably); she had expired documents from the United States. She was an alien whose residence in the United States was illegal; the phrase 'illegal alien' is completely accurate. The phrase 'illegal immigrant' is also accurate in her case, since she intended to stay here for good.

> “There is still the stigma that what we did is shameful,” she says. “I’m tired of being ashamed for pursuing my dream, for climbing up the ladder, and for having success.”

She should be ashamed: she appears to have violated immigration, pension and tax laws. 'I'm pursuing my dreams and being successful' is not a valid counter-argument to 'you're breaking the law.' She's a criminal; she's literally a shameless criminal.

Re: How an Undocumented Immigrant from Mexico Became a Star at Goldman Sachs

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Post by reverend_gonzo » Wed, Feb 25, 2015, 4:47 PM UTC

refurb wrote: post #12

Incredulous42 wrote: post #9

Wait, how did she get a proper green card? I know she married a US citizen but why didn't the government notice that she'd been in the country illegally? I mean she didn't materialize out of thin air. She had a fake SSN, fake tax records and apparently tax problems, etc. Also, now that she came out, can her citizenship be revoked? She was in the country illegally for more than a decade, worked illegally, and apparent…

My understanding is that under certain circumstances, such as marrying a US citizen, the USCIS can ignore any past violations of immigration law.[1] "If you are a foreign citizen who is in the United States without permission, having overstayed your visa, you can indeed cure the problem if you enter into a bona fide (real) marriage with a U.S. citizen and then apply for adjustment of status (a green card)." You are c…

Keep in mind, she was also brought over as a child, without any input of her own.

The authorities have often given leniency in these cases as well.