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A Story About ‘Magic' (1994)

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Re: A Story About ‘Magic' (1994)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

when the map tells you one thing, and your eyes tell you another thing, go with what your eyes tell you, because the map is full of shit. you would be surprised how often people trust "the map" more than reality. "the map" can be anything, i.e. an instruction manual, an authority figure, folklore, a rumor, whatever.

I'd stop and get a third opinion --- because sometimes my eyes are lying.

one more beer, please

Re: A Story About ‘Magic' (1994)

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Uh... How was this not obvious from looking at it? Every geek who's put together or taken apart a computer knows the metal frame is grounded, and most geeks have enough basic understanding of electricity to understand you only need one wire for a ground. The switch enables or disables grounding. Since that is literally the only thing it can do, that is what it does.

I think we are talking late '60s here. Perhaps we are better off now with accessible electronics.

I agree that it's great to be able to get a SBC for the price of lunch, and that just wasn't possible in the 1970s. But the AI Lab PDP-10s were extremely accessible. I walked right up to them several times, and I was never affiliated with the Lab. (I was an undergrad.) The Lab wasn't exactly open to the public, but they didn't actually keep anyone out either.

The PDP-10 itself was mostly discrete logic, so you could see the components and their interconnections just by looking at them. In addition, DEC published full schematics for most of their products. (I never saw the PDP-10 schematics, but it would be unusual if they weren't available.)

If that wasn't enough, Alan Kotok, the architect, came by TMRC every couple of weeks and was more than happy to expound on any part of the system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kotok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_Model_Railroad_Club

Re: A Story About ‘Magic' (1994)

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I love things like this. In my old Dreamcast, I found after I'd packed it up and moved it a few too many times that it wouldn't start, but would show signs of life when the lid would open and close. I found that there was a position you could put the lid in at which it would boot, and that position could be reliably reached if a SweeTart was placed in the tray near the edge of the disc. I licked the flat side of the…

The original Playstation had a similar switch on the lid mechanism. I think it was a safety feature to prevent the discs from spinning up, without the enclosure.

When I was about 8-9, I found the mechanism, and ended up dismantling the system. I then wedged a little Wolverine action-figure's foot into the space to keep his foot down on the switch and ran the system without the cover, because it looked pretty badass to have the discs spin out in the open.

[In retrospect: All of this was probably a horribly unsafe thing to do, considering what would happen if the disc cracked or broke while spinning.]

Re: A Story About ‘Magic' (1994)

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post #30

Uh... How was this not obvious from looking at it? Every geek who's put together or taken apart a computer knows the metal frame is grounded, and most geeks have enough basic understanding of electricity to understand you only need one wire for a ground. The switch enables or disables grounding. Since that is literally the only thing it can do, that is what it does.

Haha HN, how did this post get downvotes? The second I read about "a switch needing two wires" I thought "Unless it's grounded." Interesting story, but hardly "magic"

Is it common for one of the switch terminals to be electrically connected to the switch's container? That seems like a dangerous idea?

Re: A Story About ‘Magic' (1994)

#35
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "trust the map over the terrain" mean?

when the map tells you one thing, and your eyes tell you another thing, go with what your eyes tell you, because the map is full of shit. you would be surprised how often people trust "the map" more than reality. "the map" can be anything, i.e. an instruction manual, an authority figure, folklore, a rumor, whatever.

> go with what your eyes tell you,

but your eyes are also part of the map…

Re: A Story About ‘Magic' (1994)

#36

I love things like this. In my old Dreamcast, I found after I'd packed it up and moved it a few too many times that it wouldn't start, but would show signs of life when the lid would open and close. I found that there was a position you could put the lid in at which it would boot, and that position could be reliably reached if a SweeTart was placed in the tray near the edge of the disc. I licked the flat side of the…

Noticing grammatical errors well after the fact here but I'm glad you guys like the story and have some of your own. That's what I love about electronics that stick with us!

Re: A Story About ‘Magic' (1994)

#37
post #33

I love things like this. In my old Dreamcast, I found after I'd packed it up and moved it a few too many times that it wouldn't start, but would show signs of life when the lid would open and close. I found that there was a position you could put the lid in at which it would boot, and that position could be reliably reached if a SweeTart was placed in the tray near the edge of the disc. I licked the flat side of the…

The original Playstation had a similar switch on the lid mechanism. I think it was a safety feature to prevent the discs from spinning up, without the enclosure. When I was about 8-9, I found the mechanism, and ended up dismantling the system. I then wedged a little Wolverine action-figure's foot into the space to keep his foot down on the switch and ran the system without the cover, because it looked pretty badass t…

I think it's also to protect your eyes from the CD-reading laser if you were to power it up with no disk in it.

Re: A Story About ‘Magic' (1994)

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original Playstation had a similar switch on the lid mechanism. I think it was a safety feature to prevent the discs from spinning up, without the enclosure. When I was about 8-9, I found the mechanism, and ended up dismantling the system. I then wedged a little Wolverine action-figure's foot into the space to keep his foot down on the switch and ran the system without the cover, because it looked pretty badass t…

I think it's also to protect your eyes from the CD-reading laser if you were to power it up with no disk in it.

Good point, I actually spent some time staring at that when I was younger. Also found out I needed glasses when I was 10, and my prescription hasn't changed since.

Re: A Story About ‘Magic' (1994)

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Should be tagged (1994), although it appears the earliest version of this story goes back to Dec 1990! http://jargon-file.org/archive/jargon-2.2.1.dos.txt

Pretty sure it's older than that I recalled seeing it in this book, which Amazon gives a date of 1983 on (fits well enough with when I recall coming across the book in a public library): http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Dictionary-Guide-Computer-Wiza...

Also, it's in the 1.5.0 file: http://jargon-file.org/archive/jargon-1.5.0.dos.txt

Re: A Story About ‘Magic' (1994)

#40

Should be tagged (1994), although it appears the earliest version of this story goes back to Dec 1990! http://jargon-file.org/archive/jargon-2.2.1.dos.txt

Pretty sure it's older than that I recalled seeing it in this book, which Amazon gives a date of 1983 on (fits well enough with when I recall coming across the book in a public library): http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Dictionary-Guide-Computer-Wiza... Also, it's in the 1.5.0 file: http://jargon-file.org/archive/jargon-1.5.0.dos.txt

Interesting, it seems to have disappeared between 1.5.0 and 2.2.1!
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