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How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by S_A_P »

I just don't understand why if this was a hijacking that there was no media outlet alerted stating demands or claiming responsibility, etc.

If that were the case I can only imagine that something went wrong and they were unable to announce the takeover or there is some sort of cover up that is being implemented to prevent any groups from getting credit for hijacking a plane. Nothing really seems to make a lot of sense to me. I do think it's interesting that the author doesn't really seem to sure himself and thinks that he may be crazy to think he has the answer. It seems that a lot of events when thrown into a strange context can seem to both explain something yet sound/be completely crazy(the work to hide the airplane in Kazakhstan in the middle of winter) It could have just been some government project that just so happened to wrap up around that time. I wonder if this plane will be found...

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by krapp »

laumars wrote: post #180
Klinky wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a large portion of the conspiracy theorist population probably has a mental illness that makes them susceptible to delusional thinking. Delusional people can lead very normal fully functioning lives, but mix a certain topic that offers patterns which make their brain go down a certain path, and they suddenly become very adamant about believing something that is illogical and irrational. There is probably litt…

I consider peoples need for a conspiracy theory to be the same as peoples need for religion or superstition. It's about a need to believe in some higher order to seemingly uncontrollable chaos. I don't think it's fair to call this evolutionary trait as a "mental illness" either, since correlating cause and effect is what helped us learn to farm and such like. The hard part is separating linked events from coincidence…

Two quotes by Alan Moore about conspiracy theories which I think are apt:

    "The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy
    theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. 
    The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is 
    not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot 
    reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more
    frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless."

    "Yes, there is a conspiracy, in fact there are a great number of 
    conspiracies that are all tripping each other up. And all of those 
    conspiracies are run by paranoid fantasists and ham-fisted clowns. 
    If you are on a list targeted by the CIA, you really have nothing 
    to worry about. If however, you have a name similar to somebody 
    on a list targeted by the CIA, then you are dead."

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by mkhpalm »

defen wrote: post #35

I don't understand why an entity with "state level resources" would need to go through this elaborate procedure to acquire a jet (which they presumably want to use for nefarious purposes). 1) What nefarious purpose could they possibly use it for? e.g. let's say they want to turn it into a flying bomb - do they really think the rest of the world won't figure out where it came from / who did it, simply because they're…

I think a clue might be where he stated that the CNN checks stopped rolling in. I could only assume to get them back he needs to have more news and a captive audience.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by orbifold »

junto wrote: post #174
damian2000 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also the british woman on a yacht ... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/mh370-search-br... Incidentally, the kiwi oil rig worker who claimed he saw MH370 come down in a fireball was sacked for saying that, and hasn't worked since. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&obje...

My gut feeling is that the plane was accidentally shot down as part of the continuing tensions in the South China Sea. This article and the included map illustrate the problems quite well: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-13748349 There were a large number of different nations involved in various "war games", "search and rescue practices", and general provocative actions at the time. http://tass.ru/en/world…

Why would you shoot with live ammunition during a war game?

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by arh68 »

jasonm23 wrote: post #11

This is all you ever need to remember when considering the validity of the majority of news sources: > I soon realized the germ of every TV-news segment is: “Officials say X.” The validity of the story derives from the authority of the source. The expert, such as myself, is on hand to add dimension or clarity. Truth flowed one way: from the official source, through the anchor, past the expert, and onward into the gre…

Yeah. What I got from the article was:

1) As an expert, I appear on TV to repeat the Official News Updates

2) I'm there all week, so I'm a regular

3) The experts don't agree at all

4) The experts don't like conspiracy theorists (lightning?)

5) The experts can be conspiracy theorists, too! (Putin!?)

Even his book summary lays out the same trope: CNN Aviation Analyst Jeff Wise sweeps aside the conspiracy theories and misconceptions, then just down below, once they've made the appeal to authority, a radical new hypothesis ought to be considered. Bizarre. A very entertaining read.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by gjem97 »

crimsonalucard wrote: post #119
tbabb wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A theory being improbable is probably the best reason not to give it credit. A theory should be accepted only when the null hypothesis is more improbable.

keywords: "seems improbable" Just because something SEEMS improbable doesn't actually mean it IS improbable.

When the probability describes the likelihood of our data matching a particular theory, there is only "seems improbable". E.g. it seems improbable that there are other yet undetected Pluto-sized objects in the solar system. Is it improbable? No, it's either true that there are such objects or not.

As opposed to events that have not occurred. E.g. it seems improbable that ten flips of a fair coin will yield ten heads. Is it improbable? Yes by most definitions of improbable, it is improbable.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by astrodust »

DanBC wrote: post #132
koolkat wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think being a "conspiracy theorist" is delusonal at all if there are overwhelming facts supportig the theory. When did it become crazy to "...have an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation." Watergate, Iran-contra, prism, the cia drug traffickin…

Conspiracy theories are bizare explanations of events that don't fit reality. Thus, Iran-Contra is not a conspiracy theory because it's true, even though it is a conspiracy.

It just graduated from conspiracy theory to conspiracy fact.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by stifledissent »

sparaker wrote: post #169
fluxtemp wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say it's the opposite. The large portion of the population who believes everything the authorities tell them has a mental illness that prevents them from thinking critically and for themselves.

Its important to look for supporting evidence and gather facts. Yes you're right the masses still believes everything they see on TV and other officially controlled media. The more time someone believes something, the more time it takes to break him out of it. As for conspiracy theorists these people generally have had atleast 1 experience in the past, where they had picked the right trail and were mislead. These guy…

> Its important to look for supporting evidence and gather facts.

That's a reasonable stance. I tend to agree with you. It seems uncontroversial that it is important to look for supporting evidence and gather facts.

I wonder what do you make of this public statement, published by Le Monde and written by 34 French scholars, made in February of 1979:

"The question of how technically such a mass murder was possible should not be raised. It was technically possible because it occurred... There is not nor can there be a debate over the existence of the gas chambers."

Do historians get a pass? Do they not need to look for supporting evidence and gather facts?

I don't mean to be inflammatory so please don't vote me down. The point I'm making is that it's easy to dismiss "conspiracy theorists" for their silly ideas, and have these lofty goals of "evidence first", but when an extraordinary claim that is politically motivated stands on very shaky grounds, and "evidence first" is called into action as a modus operandi, then people are told they should not raise questions.

I'd like to remind everyone that it is not controversial to state that there is no documentary evidence for the use of gas chambers between 1942 and 1945. This much has been stated in public television by Tim Sebastian in a 2000 BBC "Hardtalk" interview with a WW2 historian, and stated under oath by the leading WW2 atrocities historian Raul Hilberg.

It's also important to talk about this because this places 99% of people firmly in the "conspiracy theorist" camp, as most people believe these unquestionable claims based on hearsay and not on any body of evidence. If someone disagrees and can show me wrong, please do so without naively assuming that I must have some racial agenda, which I can assure you - I don't.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by adaml_623 »

lovemenot wrote: post #90

Whatever the merits of the argument about the actual location of MH370, it was entirely inappropriate to dox those two Ukrainians with such circumstantial evidence as to their involvement. At one point he is saying just look at their physique and imagine these guys taking over your aircraft. Right. Theorising on the internet is one thing, but real people don't deserve terrorism accusations, except through due process…

I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that those people are dead.

Obviously accusations such as these are not very nice for the families of those gentlemen but not really the same as doxing.

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