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Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by mccr8 »

Karunamon wrote: post #19
sp332 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the issue isn't ignored or back-burnered.

That was more directed at the F-ING SSL issue, but still, end of 2015 to have a feature that's considered standard nowadays and introduced 7 years ago? How much of the work that went into deprecating certs and removing obscure command line flags and setting up HTTP/2 (which isn't even really used by anyone yet) could have went into electrolysis?

None of it. The work on multiprocess Firefox is primarily an issue in the front end UI code (written in JS), and does not have much to do with networking or crypto.

Another thing to keep in mind is that patch notes are a list of user-facing changes, not a breakdown of where the engineering effort went in a particular 5 week release cycle. Removing the command line flag probably took an engineer an hour or two to do. In the same time frame, I spent weeks analyzing and fixing a variety of leaks that only show up in multiprocess Firefox, but none of that shows up in the patch notes.

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #7

Yay! Time for another firefox rant. I love the idea of firefox and I used to love it a lot. But not now. I keep trying it and always go back to chrome. It crashes. A lot. Like, at least once a day I have to ctrl+alt+del and restart it on my laptop. It freezes and the window stops responding, it doesn't even paint. In the inspector, the DOM breadcrumb area scrolls and moves around. It's like the blink tag, only worse.…

I'm not sure why you're being downvoted so much. I assume the usual FOSS fanboyism that rules HN.

I used Chrome, IE11, and Firefox all day. FF is the only one that locks up and crashes on me. Its so rare in the other browsers I'm shocked when it happens in FF. I run almost no extensions and I think my copy at work has zero extensions and I don't even have flash installed, so the idea that it must be a plugin problem is questionable. Once a day lockups or crashes are still, unfortunately, common. I really wish it was a better QA'd project. Its such a nice piece of software, but I imagine its reached the point where it can and should be forked to a lightweight browser the same way FF forked from the big ugly Mozilla suite. Current leadership at Mozilla just don't seem to make crashes and resource usage a priority.

I also dont like how it switched on me from google to yahoo as my default search engine. If MS did this in IE people on HN would be losing their shit, but because this project is a FOSS darling, everyone just made excuses for it. At the very least it should have asked me if I wanted to change to whatever search engine they've gotten into bed with this year.

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by leeoniya »

pwr22 wrote: post #38
agumonkey wrote: post #20

Meanwhile, in firefox 39a (current nightly), a reader view (readability/printfriendly) http://imgur.com/DONqb30

Maybe I can stop zooming all the way in all the time soon :)

speaking of zooming, and if any Moz devs are watching, please finally fix radio and checkbox control zooming. it's been 7.5 years.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400364

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

agumonkey wrote: post #20

Meanwhile, in firefox 39a (current nightly), a reader view (readability/printfriendly) http://imgur.com/DONqb30

Why's that added to the main program, though? I mean, there's extensions that do the same thing, right?

(I'm sure others have made similar remarks about other features that were added over time that were originally in extensions)

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by buster »

sauere wrote: post #4

Semi-OT: is anyone on HN using a "alternative" Browser such as Midori or Vivaldi on a daily basis? I love what Midori is doing but it still crashes on me to often.

I used dwb for months now, and only today switched to Vimium (Chromium addon) after finding alternatives like qutebrowser, uzbl, conkeror lacking. If dwb would still be maintained and wouldn't crash on bitbucket.org on me i'd still use it :(

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by xtrumanx »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #7

Yay! Time for another firefox rant. I love the idea of firefox and I used to love it a lot. But not now. I keep trying it and always go back to chrome. It crashes. A lot. Like, at least once a day I have to ctrl+alt+del and restart it on my laptop. It freezes and the window stops responding, it doesn't even paint. In the inspector, the DOM breadcrumb area scrolls and moves around. It's like the blink tag, only worse.…

The speech bubble by the way is a way to video chat from the browser itself. It uses WebRTC which is already in modern browsers so its not like they've added a ton of code to get that feature baked into the browser.

Not sure why you saw O2 but I saw Telefonica which is the company that works with Firefox to deliver their Firefox OS phones. I suppose Telefonica/O2 is needed because even though WebRTC is a real-time direct connection between you and somebody else, you may need a 3rd party to help you connect to one another at first.

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by tedunangst »

leeoniya wrote: post #44
pwr22 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I can stop zooming all the way in all the time soon :)

speaking of zooming, and if any Moz devs are watching, please finally fix radio and checkbox control zooming. it's been 7.5 years . https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400364

What? You don't like the challenge of trying to click on a micron wide checkbox on your new 4k laptop screen? That's half the fun, I say.

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by h43k3r »

I recently switched back to Firefox from Chrome. They have done a nice job in speeding it up. My Chrome seems like more of a bottleneck than my internet connection.

Re: Firefox 36.0 released

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Post by iopq »

Ded7xSEoPKYNsDd wrote: post #28
Karunamon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understood, but I'm speaking from the viewpoint of a user, here. It's a massive annoyance for a crashed tab to annihilate the other 49. (And the session restore being activated is generally grounds for a smoke break, because your system will be tied up for a while...)

Session restore in Firefox has been lazy for a long time now (the tab only loads when you activate it). It doesn't take longer than loading a single page. How often do tabs crash for you? That's the real issue if you ask me. I'm on Nightly (with Electrolysis!) and the last crash was over 2 months ago.

I have a crash probably every day. Usual culprit is Flash.
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