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How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by sleepyhead »

damian2000 wrote: post #38
defen wrote: post #35

I don't understand why an entity with "state level resources" would need to go through this elaborate procedure to acquire a jet (which they presumably want to use for nefarious purposes). 1) What nefarious purpose could they possibly use it for? e.g. let's say they want to turn it into a flying bomb - do they really think the rest of the world won't figure out where it came from / who did it, simply because they're…

The theory has a lot of holes, but in the absence of the plane and much other hard evidence, it becomes really attractive to believe in it. What were the Russians doing in Malaysia? In fact Russians make up an increasing number of tourists in south east asia. I ran into many when I was in Phuket a couple of years back.

> In fact Russians make up an increasing number of tourists in south east asia

True, but not in Malaysia. It is a muslim country with high alcohol tax which could be two reasons that Russians, like many other Westerners, holiday in Thailand and not Malaysia.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by sleepyhead »

yongjik wrote: post #51

On top of everything others said, what kind of nation hijacks a plane with 152 Chinese nationals, unless they want a war with China? (And if they do want a war with China, why bother with such a complicated plot?) If Russia did it, and if China finds out, does anybody think China will say, "Well, it's Russia, we'll protest at UN and demand economic sanction"? Moscow and Beijing will be in rubbles when the dusts clear…

> hijacks a plane with 152 Chinese nationals, unless they want a war with China

Well they were mostly middle-class normal tourists. Probably not important enough for the Chinese leaders to care about.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by jpatokal »

prawn wrote: post #127
yongjik wrote: post #51

On top of everything others said, what kind of nation hijacks a plane with 152 Chinese nationals, unless they want a war with China? (And if they do want a war with China, why bother with such a complicated plot?) If Russia did it, and if China finds out, does anybody think China will say, "Well, it's Russia, we'll protest at UN and demand economic sanction"? Moscow and Beijing will be in rubbles when the dusts clear…

Russia took down another Malaysian Airlines plane and virtually nothing has come of that.

Full of Dutch nationals, not Chinese. Also, it's unlikely that "Russia" took it down, they merely supplied the weaponry to a bunch of incompetent hotheads who accidentally shot it down.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by kaybe »

tbabb wrote: post #95
crimsonalucard wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets make it clear. I'm not vindicating his theory I'm saying it's equally ignorant to not consider a theory because it just seems improbable.

A theory being improbable is probably the best reason not to give it credit. A theory should be accepted only when the null hypothesis is more improbable.

However, this requires actually looking at the data and the conclusions drawn from them and not just the conclusions. In many cases, this is not done at the beginning.

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by jpatokal »

throwaway8843 wrote: post #102
xnull6guest wrote: post #24

Lack of debris and communication aside, the sheer frequency of Asian airliner disasters and disappearances this past year has been especially provocative and unusual. The Ex-Prime Minister of Malaysia has resisted implications that the plane had crashed, insisting that MH370 was a CIA operation. The loss of the plane over the Ukraine, too, stirred up rumors of a hacked plane being used as a missile and also rumors th…

I have followed Asian civil aviation for several years. The problems they face are: 1. underfunded startup airlines (Indonesia, India) 2. energetic and not well-understood equatorial Pacific storms 3. uneven quality of candidates and training 4. Asian cultural issues in the cockpit, esp. S. Korea 5. demanding weather (monsoons) and terrain (low-viz) The NTSB did a lot (well, everything) for the current safety of Amer…

Re: "Asian cultural issues" and the tired old Malcolm Gladwell line about South Korean culture being unsuited to the cockpit, this post demolishes that pretty thoroughly.

http://askakorean.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/culturalism-gladwe...

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by ericson89 »

throwaway8843 wrote: post #102
xnull6guest wrote: post #24

Lack of debris and communication aside, the sheer frequency of Asian airliner disasters and disappearances this past year has been especially provocative and unusual. The Ex-Prime Minister of Malaysia has resisted implications that the plane had crashed, insisting that MH370 was a CIA operation. The loss of the plane over the Ukraine, too, stirred up rumors of a hacked plane being used as a missile and also rumors th…

I have followed Asian civil aviation for several years. The problems they face are: 1. underfunded startup airlines (Indonesia, India) 2. energetic and not well-understood equatorial Pacific storms 3. uneven quality of candidates and training 4. Asian cultural issues in the cockpit, esp. S. Korea 5. demanding weather (monsoons) and terrain (low-viz) The NTSB did a lot (well, everything) for the current safety of Amer…

How do you explain this?

http://www.jacdec.de/airline-safety-ranking-2015/

And weren't both Malaysian disasters the result of foul play?

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by sparaker »

fluxtemp wrote: post #103
Klinky wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a large portion of the conspiracy theorist population probably has a mental illness that makes them susceptible to delusional thinking. Delusional people can lead very normal fully functioning lives, but mix a certain topic that offers patterns which make their brain go down a certain path, and they suddenly become very adamant about believing something that is illogical and irrational. There is probably litt…

I'd say it's the opposite. The large portion of the population who believes everything the authorities tell them has a mental illness that prevents them from thinking critically and for themselves.

Its important to look for supporting evidence and gather facts. Yes you're right the masses still believes everything they see on TV and other officially controlled media. The more time someone believes something, the more time it takes to break him out of it.

As for conspiracy theorists these people generally have had atleast 1 experience in the past, where they had picked the right trail and were mislead. These guys generally tend to negate everything they get from mainstream sources and continue to advertise their version of events. I am not saying they are wrong or right, its just psychology. Most of these guys just need a single clue to say to themselves, "You see, i was right".

Re: How crazy am I to think I actually know where that Malaysia Airlines plane is?

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Post by sebastianavina »

rdtsc wrote: post #32

I think the main point of the story is not to convince us that he has a good proof. But rather to document how we convince ourselves, and how we latch on to small things and head down a path. Once we are on a path we become commited to it and it becomes hard to turn back. Notice how he talks about the "crazies" on the forum. How they would use aliases, log back in and mention their stupid "lightning" theory, and he h…

as a true geek, if someday something wrong happens to me, I hope that at least, someone jumps in and invents a story about how smart and bad ass I am, that I invented a teletransportation device, and translated the entire airplane/car or whatever to the anothe time and space, just because.

truly, those poor folks are probably dead now, and now there is this guy saying that they kidnapped the airplane and buried it just because they had this evil master plan "???".

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