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I’ve Just Seen a (DNA-Generated) Face

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Those are the results with a training set of 7000, I imagine it would get spookily accurate with a 50K training set.

Probably not. There's diminishing returns with higher samples. If your extra 43K samples follow the same general pattern (without adding some outliers that will give new patterns) it won't look any different. You'd have to capture some gene that gives a difference in appearance that the 7K didn't.

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Quite interesting however the portraits really have almost no resemblance to the subjects. Yeah they look kinda "similar" but virtually every facial feature other than base racial feature is incorrect. All of the renderings attempt to pretty much render a racially correct "grey face" which can pretty much fit almost anyone. Everything else from the shape and position of the eyes, nose bridge, cheekbones, lips etc. do…

>I really hope that this doesn't reach law enforcement ...

This was linked in the article itself and at the end:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/science/building-face-and-...

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Quite interesting however the portraits really have almost no resemblance to the subjects. Yeah they look kinda "similar" but virtually every facial feature other than base racial feature is incorrect. All of the renderings attempt to pretty much render a racially correct "grey face" which can pretty much fit almost anyone. Everything else from the shape and position of the eyes, nose bridge, cheekbones, lips etc. do…

The images themeselves aren't that great for identification. However, if they combine it with traditional facial recognition techniques - such as distance between the eyes (a genetically determined characteristic) - it would (for example) be able to narrow down suspect lists to a few people using DMV photos. Wanted fugitives living under false names that have managed to get a real driver's license are regularly caught these days using this technique.

So instead of generating images, this software could simply take a DNA sample and spit out the characteristics the facial recognition software already takes as input. Up comes a list of names and addresses of the handful of people that the DNA can possibly belong to, even if they have never been in a DNA database. The software already has to calculate these things before delivering the facial image, so delivering the characteristics would actually be a subset of the capabilities he has already built. Scary stuff.

Re: I’ve Just Seen a (DNA-Generated) Face

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My gut reaction to this was so what we've all seen DNA generated faces our whole lives... and nobody finds that in any way remarkable...

The old way took tens of years and a couple hundred thousands of dollars in food and board. Plus there is no way in nature to take a DNA sample left at a crime scene and turn that into a rendering of a face.

Now it can be done with $100 worth of DNA analysis and a few minutes of compute time.

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post #4

I wanted to do something similar last year, but I figured that I'd need a lot of input data to classify on facial features. Where do people get the input data?

The article notes that they used data from 23andme, a commercial DNA profiling service that is $100.

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Environment plays a large role in facial appearance. Weight, diet, habitual emotional expressions, facial hair, to say nothing of acne, injuries, facial exercises (for the muscles in the face) or reconstructive surgery.

Maybe they could divine how close the eyes are or how big the nose is... but even that doesn't seem terribly accurate from these picture. I suppose the technique will get better soon enough, but I doubt anything approaching publicly recognizable accuracy will be achieved by this method alone.

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Environment plays a large role in facial appearance. Weight, diet, habitual emotional expressions, facial hair, to say nothing of acne, injuries, facial exercises (for the muscles in the face) or reconstructive surgery. Maybe they could divine how close the eyes are or how big the nose is... but even that doesn't seem terribly accurate from these picture. I suppose the technique will get better soon enough, but I dou…

The inaccuracy can't be solely attributed to environment. Many identical twins who share identical DNA that are separated at birth still share remarkably similar facial features. If two faces generated by identical strands of DNA in the real world remain identical, despite being grown in different environments then an accurate simulation of DNA should reproduce an accurate face regardless of environment.

The inaccuracy arrives from the black box statistical process they use to generate the face. They don't know the full story behind how billions of strands of DNA can scaffold a physical face made out of billions of cells, nerves and blood vessels.

Instead they just measure a bunch of faces relate it back to certain known attributes in the DNA and then generate a face. This process will always be inaccurate. In short they treat the system like a black box and build a simulation of the black box by only establishing correlations between input and output.

Imagine if some alien race used this type of process in attempt to analyze the linux operating system running on a computer. They measure the electrical output of each pixel in the monitor and they find statistical correlations between pixel configurations in the monitor and the arrangement of bits in the cpu register. Using this process the Aliens can only gain a very flawed understanding of what's actually happening.

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