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Re: How decent bike parking could revolutionize cities

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Post by InclinedPlane » Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 1:15 AM UTC

Tiktaalik wrote: post #17

InclinedPlane wrote: post #16

Parking is not the gating factor for bicycle commuting in any city. Finding roads and paths to ride on without raising your chance of getting killed significantly is the difficult bit.

The entire article is explaining why this isn't the case. Would you drive to work if you knew that you wouldn't be able to park your car anywhere? Of course not. This is what is faced by cyclists. Sure you can leave your bike on the street (if it's not raining) but as the article states the rate of theft is so exceptionally high that it's idiotic to do so.

Yes, I disagree with the article's conclusions, that's the point.

Portland and New York are not every city, they have unique problems that other cities do not have. In most cities bicycle theft is not as serious and merely improving bicycle parking does not necessarily get rid of the theft problem entirely. In the vast majority of cities the biggest roadblock to bicycle transportation is the roads. There is simply nowhere to ride except on the same roads that carry heavy vehicle traffic.

Bike theft is highest in places where bike transportation is already very popular (figure out why this is so), solving the bike theft problem is a 2nd order problem that most cities do not face because they haven't yet solved the 1st order problem of making it possible for anyone but the most committed to commute by bicycle.

Also, I should note that I've lived in several cities in 3 different states (Oregon, Washington, and Alabama) where a bicycle was my primary form of transportation, in every case parking was never as big a concern as just getting from point A to point B safely.

Re: How decent bike parking could revolutionize cities

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Post by davidcuddeback » Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 2:14 AM UTC

This reminds me of an article I read a few years ago, which talked about cities designed for walking.* Most cities have a code that requires that every new development must supply X number of parking spaces per Y square feet of land. However, all these required parking spaces spread out a city's points of interest. By requiring fewer if any parking spaces, some cities were able to achieve a higher density of points of interest. By two points of interest being closer, they are therefor more walkable. The article mentioned San Francisco as an example of a city that doesn't require many parking spaces, and consequently it is rated as the most walkable city in the U.S.

Personally, I always walk when I go to San Francisco. That's partly because it is so walkable (my points of interest are usually near Market St or along the waterfront), but also because it's impossible to park there. I often won't go to San Francisco if I want to stay out later than the public transit (BART) runs, because it's usually too much of a hassle to park. That second reason is the point of Slate's article.

* I would post a link to the article I read, but I couldn't find it after a few minutes on Google.

Re: How decent bike parking could revolutionize cities

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Post by davidcuddeback » Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 3:10 AM UTC

potatolicious wrote: post #15

jrockway wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I have spent a bit of time on my bike in Seattle, and the thought of traffic never occurred to me. I think drivers there, like in Chicago, are used to cyclists and shouldn't cause you any problems.

It's certainly better than some other cities I've lived in - but I live and work downtown, and navigating downtown streets on a bicycle to/from work is an intimidating proposition. Not many of us who work here do it - and I commend the brave souls who do :)

I partially agree with you. I lived in Seattle's International district this past summer, and biked quite a bit. At first, I was apprehensive about the traffic, but it wasn't bad once I got past my first ride.

One resource you might find helpful is the maps on Seattle's Department of Transportation website: (http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/bikemaps.htm). They show the streets that are safer to bike. When I lived there, I biked southbound on 5th because I live on 5th, but that felt a little sketchy around 5th and Pike. According to the map, 2nd has a bike lane that I could have used for going southbound.

Re: How decent bike parking could revolutionize cities

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Post by jrockway » Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 4:25 AM UTC

spicyj wrote: post #18

jrockway wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree here. I don't understand the big deal about bringing them into your building with you. They are smaller than a person and 10% of the weight. What could possibly be a risk? Why would people even consider it unacceptable to bring your bike inside? (I have not tried yet at my $new_job. Soon. I know nobody in my department would care, but I am sure security would complain.)

Most bicycles, though smaller than people, are much more inconveniently shaped and harder to manuever or get out of the way.

No more inconvenient than people with those backpacks with wheels.

Re: How decent bike parking could revolutionize cities

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Post by jrockway » Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 4:28 AM UTC

InclinedPlane wrote: post #16

Parking is not the gating factor for bicycle commuting in any city. Finding roads and paths to ride on without raising your chance of getting killed significantly is the difficult bit.

Parking is the main reason I don't ride my bike to work. The streets are no problem for me; I just don't want to leave my bike outside. The bike I commute on is not expensive, but replacing it would be a pain.

The second issue is showering when you get to work. My commute is short enough that it doesn't matter, really, but this is a big deal for other people.

Re: How decent bike parking could revolutionize cities

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Post by jrockway » Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 4:36 AM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #13

jrockway wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree here. I don't understand the big deal about bringing them into your building with you. They are smaller than a person and 10% of the weight. What could possibly be a risk? Why would people even consider it unacceptable to bring your bike inside? (I have not tried yet at my $new_job. Soon. I know nobody in my department would care, but I am sure security would complain.)

A bicycle is dirty, greasy and has pointy bits. No more welcome in a building that other, um, dirty, greasy things.

Assuming your bicycle is properly maintained, it will not be dirty, greasy, or have pointy bits. Daily lubrication of the chain prevents it from becoming dirty, and a chainguard (or even better, a chaincase) prevents most things from touching it anyway. After that, no exposed part should be greasy or dirty.

I share my apartment with three bikes, and they are as clean as anything else in the house.

Re: How decent bike parking could revolutionize cities

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Post by jrockway » Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 4:41 AM UTC

ahlatimer wrote: post #4

The non-profit I work with is interested in bringing biking to my home town (El Paso). We're first going to create some "artsy" bike racks for local business. Hopefully that'll raise awareness for bikes, and perhaps we can get city council to back us on adding more bike racks/bike lanes/etc.

Just make sure they're functional. Nothing is nicer than a properly-used "staple":

http://trimet.org/images/portlandmall/bike_staple.jpg

It may not be a work of art, but it is very effective. (The only problem is that many cyclists don't seem to know how to use them correctly. You lean your bike against the long part!)

Re: How decent bike parking could revolutionize cities

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Post by eru » Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 6:13 PM UTC

blhack wrote: post #12

jrockway wrote: post #9

The first comment is amusing; tow trucks for bicycles? It is easy to fix a flat on your bike; stick a stick-on patch over the hole in the tube, inflate with your CO2 cartridge, and ride on. You don't even need to remove the wheel! (When you get home, you can fix it "forever" with a glue-on patch.) I think one of the biggest problems facing cycling advocates is the general lack of knowledge among people "considering"…

There really is something cool about knowing that you could completely tear the machine that you're using apart, and put it back together again with the tools in your backpack.

My recumbent bike came torn apart in a box via mail.

On the up-side I know exactly how it works and I appreciate its simplicity.

Re: How decent bike parking could revolutionize cities

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Post by ahlatimer » Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 3:30 AM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #27

ahlatimer wrote: post #4

The non-profit I work with is interested in bringing biking to my home town (El Paso). We're first going to create some "artsy" bike racks for local business. Hopefully that'll raise awareness for bikes, and perhaps we can get city council to back us on adding more bike racks/bike lanes/etc.

Just make sure they're functional. Nothing is nicer than a properly-used "staple": http://trimet.org/images/portlandmall/bike_staple.jpg It may not be a work of art, but it is very effective. (The only problem is that many cyclists don't seem to know how to use them correctly. You lean your bike against the long part!)

We'd probably go with standard bike racks if biking was our only concern. It's not. We're also trying to draw people to local businesses in a town dominated by franchises. It might be gimmicky, but if it gets people to explore a little, it's worth it.

Re: How decent bike parking could revolutionize cities

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Post by joe_the_user » Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 6:58 PM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #7

joe_the_user wrote: post #6

I live in Berkeley and ride constantly. I occasionally have trouble finding a pole to tie my bike to but generally I have absolutely no trouble. I'd say parking is only a problem in places like New York City and maybe Chicago. Traffic, on the other hand, is something that scares a lot of people.

Incidentally, automobile traffic moves about as quickly in the city center as does bicycle traffic. Outside of the center, a bike moves about as quickly as a city bus. (Seems like I play leapfrog with a bus every time I ride down Roosevelt or Damen.)

Indeed, bus leap frog is one my less favorite games but I've played it quite a bit...