CUSTOMER > Your insularity and lack of touch with the developers community, not to mention your complete lack of manners, lost you a customer today. I think that the previous email from SUPPORT was polite and this reply looks unnecessary aggressive for me. Perhaps the COMPANY doesn't have a real reason not to provide the link you wanted, but they can choose to do in their way. Vote with your wallet.
Is this the most condescending customer support ever experienced by mankind?
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Re: Is this the most condescending customer support ever experienced by mankind?
#12I think the customer support at that Wordpress Plugin company was actually quite reasonable - if they use time limited S3 URLs (for presumably paid downloads), that's certainly their choice. I must be completely misunderstanding something, but why wouldn't you buy the plugin, and then distribute it using your private server (like they suggest)? If the company goes out of business tomorrow, all of your builds will bre…
I just wish WordPress companies would join 2015 already. So many of them are stuck in the late early 00s.
And to think that WP powers more than a fifth of the web.
Re: Is this the most condescending customer support ever experienced by mankind?
#13Instead of clarifying the request, in case the support person had misunderstood it, the customer goes on the attack on the very first message after the first reply. The second reply of the support person is an explanation, and once again the customer continues the attack. If I was the support person, I wouldn't accept that. People are mirrors, they reflect how you are treating them. If you ever feel you are mistreate…
As previously said in another comment I'll stipulate that I could have phrased things better, much better - but I stand by what I said. Any code vendor should provide automated ways to retrieve your goods. It's code after all.
What bothered me by far the most is that this condescending support person hinted that there MAY be ways for me to do that, but because I didn't phrase things well enough he didn't tell me.
And even when he proceeded with such condescending comments, he refrained from even trying to offer possible solutions to what I might be actually asking.
That is being condescending on steroids and it's the furthest thing from customer support.
I don't know about you, but I'm not into receiving veiled insults from people I give money to.
Re: Is this the most condescending customer support ever experienced by mankind?
#14The other guy was pedantic and sort-of sounded like an ass near the end. He took things a bit personally, maybe having a bad day or something.
He seems a little baffled about why you're angry that you got a "straight no" when that's the answer to your question.
I wouldn't have submitted to having an argument with you, but I'm not surprised he did. I don't think it's particularly awful in any sense. He was just too lengthy--he should have just said (in his 2nd email) something like "Sorry, but our setup does not include permanent URLs. It's part of the security policy our company has decided on. Let me know if I can help in some other way."
I don't get the impression you'd have been satisfied with that, either.
Re: Is this the most condescending customer support ever experienced by mankind?
#15Most competent technical support services do this by never making the customer feel that they are less powerful than they are. Usually, this is done by never making the customer aware that they are less smart (even if they are).
For example, if the customer was 'This product is the worst bleep ever'. Even if it is, you acknowledge it. 'Yes, Mr./Ms. we understand that the problem is causing you . We're going to give you a RMA #' (RMA = Return Merchandise Authorization). You de-escalate. You give them a solution.
Apple's One-to-One program is legendary for being more of a 'teaching' relationship than a 'support' relationship.
It is a little more difficult if the person is asking highly technical questions. In that case, you always acknowledge that you are aware they know what they are doing. And figure out what they don't know that is causing them problems with their current situation.
Twilio's developer support (and Amazon's) are notable for what they know and more for admitting what they might not know (e.g. 'We do not know about this particular configuration. However, we will make sure we connect you with an engineer who can help you/research the problem')
This whole customer support transcript devolved rather rapidly into an ego-driven, I know more than you do pissing contest. Both sides are to blame. Either side could have de-escalated.
What was accomplished? Not much. If I were the technical support rep, I would have sent the first reply and added a question about what exactly the customer was trying to accomplish. Not a straight-up factual-based no - but trying to understand what the real problem was.
Re: Is this the most condescending customer support ever experienced by mankind?
#16SUPPORT: There is no supported capability to do that with any "COMPANY_NAME" product, thanks.
CUSTOMER: FYI, in 2015, that’s absolutely TERRIBLE. None of the other premium providers game me a STRAIGHT NO.
1. Sometimes, when support made the wrong initial contact, all future correspondence will turn sour. Make the first impression count.
2. Having 'thanks' at the end of sentences seems casual/unprofessional to me, if not rude. Maybe something like "thank you for your message" as an opening line on that email might be better.
3. At least you should have offered alternatives, rather than leaving the customer empty-handed. If there are none, at least you could have said that "we are looking at/thinking about/working on/still gathering feedback from more customers/ to implement this feature in the near future. as soon as it's ready, we'll let you know."
4. I think most of your replies are too long. On the other hand, your initial reply almost looked like canned response.
5. Never vent out to your customers as support. You will never win. You have the final say on what features you will put to your products, but your customer has every right to express how they feel about your product/service. You have none. Don't take it personally.
disclaimer: I am writing based on experience
Re: Is this the most condescending customer support ever experienced by mankind?
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#18However, I would like to speak to the original premise that a company should have a wget/curlable url for a Wordpress plugin as a basic need for the DevOps world we live in. This is patently false.
From a company providing a plugin standpoint this makes no sense at all. If they would like to make a package which works with one of the myriad package management systems, that is one thing. If they would like to create chef and puppet scripts which install their plugin and the associated licensing needs for their clients who use these environments, then fantastic. This could be a market differentiator. But giving just a static URL system may not make business sense for even some of the mid and large size Wordpress plugin companies. It could effect the companies security, revenue model, and even the security of their customers. A DevOps ready plugin system would be a nice feature but it would also require thought and preparation.
When I hear that you would like to be able to wget/curl the plugin so you have the "most up to date version of the plugin" without the work of doing this "manually" which is "very annoy", I get concerned. If a consultant I was using for my Wordpress needs were to want to automatically update third part plugins, even if only on initial install, without thoroughly testing and version locking them first, I would be mortified! With RubyGems, npm, and the like, there is a reason we version lock! Particularly in an automated deployment DevOps based environment.
With this particular scenario the customer service agent had the right idea, though I admit it took the agent a while to get to the answer and the whole conversation could have been better. If it were me I would download the latest version of the plugin when I was ready to test it. I would test it in my test environments to make sure the most up to date version of the plugin worked as I expected it to, then I would load it into a private repository for deployment. I would then write a simple chef recipe to retrieve the latest version of the plugin on system install, or upgrade the plugin on all of my existing systems. Any future updates to a plugin would just require a single download of the updated plugin when I was ready to test, a test run through the test environment, and then a deployment to where my chef recipe could see the update. Simple, safe, automated, and effective.
Re: Is this the most condescending customer support ever experienced by mankind?
#19It's not even valid to decide whether you're "right" or not - the company doesn't exist to benefit you and you alone - it exists to benefit as many customers as possible. If most of the other customers are demanding some other feature, they have to dedicate their resources to that thing first. They might not even be trying to capture the segment of the market that would want an API.
Re: Is this the most condescending customer support ever experienced by mankind?
#20An honest feedback. SUPPORT: There is no supported capability to do that with any "COMPANY_NAME" product, thanks. CUSTOMER: FYI, in 2015, that’s absolutely TERRIBLE. None of the other premium providers game me a STRAIGHT NO. 1. Sometimes, when support made the wrong initial contact, all future correspondence will turn sour. Make the first impression count. 2. Having 'thanks' at the end of sentences seems casual/unpro…
I get behind every single point of your list. I felt like he just didn't care, and when I proceeded to point out I was disappointed and thought it was terrible of them to just slam the door in my face like that, I received an endless series of condescending remarks which made even angrier and caused my reactions.
I'm somewhat surprised by some of the answers in the thread but I did want other people's opinions in order to figure out where the real balance is.
I guess I still feel like I'm the one who's right, especially being the paying customer, but from everyone's feedback I should have kept the tone down.
I admit I really don't work well with condescension.