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An Open Letter to Jessica Livingston About YC's Female Founders Conference

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"I’ve lived my life in a 'man’s world', receiving a degree in mechanical engineering—which contains the lowest percentage of women compared to any other engineering field at just 7.2%—from an already male-dominated university." Going on a tangent, I suspect areas like mechanical engineering and computer science are still "boy's clubs" due to one thing: social prestige. I feel that women are more attracted to high pre…

Well, when I looked around a bit I found this article " rel="nofollow">http://readwrite.com/2014/09/02/women-in-computer-science-wh... which links to this study: " rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/09/11/220748057/why-wome... which indicates that rather than being based on prestige, it appears that the disparity can be broken down based on more rewarding but lower paying, vs. more purely mercenary jo…

You can't compare being a teacher with a career in "law, medicine, politics, or finance" or a programmer. The latter all require very high intellectual aptitude, either logical/mathematical (programming, finance), memory (medicine, law) or social intelligence (finance, politics). In contrast, mostly everybody can be a teacher (and according to comment [1], teachers usually come from the bottom of their class).

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9090437

Re: An Open Letter to Jessica Livingston About YC's Female Founders Conference

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I watched the FFC live and what struck me was that it was the same as any other founder conference except that it was a girl on stage instead of a dude. If we want to stop making gender a big deal then we need to stop making gender a big deal. There is no Male Founder Conference right?

> we need to stop making gender a big deal By your own admission, FFC didn't make a big deal out of gender and is therefore doing as you ask. Events like these are appreciated and found helpful by the women who participate in them. Isn't that sufficient grounds to be happy that they are taking place?

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Re: An Open Letter to Jessica Livingston About YC's Female Founders Conference

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I watched the FFC live and what struck me was that it was the same as any other founder conference except that it was a girl on stage instead of a dude. If we want to stop making gender a big deal then we need to stop making gender a big deal. There is no Male Founder Conference right?

> we need to stop making gender a big deal By your own admission, FFC didn't make a big deal out of gender and is therefore doing as you ask. Events like these are appreciated and found helpful by the women who participate in them. Isn't that sufficient grounds to be happy that they are taking place?

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Re: An Open Letter to Jessica Livingston About YC's Female Founders Conference

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I watched the FFC live and what struck me was that it was the same as any other founder conference except that it was a girl on stage instead of a dude. If we want to stop making gender a big deal then we need to stop making gender a big deal. There is no Male Founder Conference right?

> we need to stop making gender a big deal By your own admission, FFC didn't make a big deal out of gender and is therefore doing as you ask. Events like these are appreciated and found helpful by the women who participate in them. Isn't that sufficient grounds to be happy that they are taking place?

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Re: An Open Letter to Jessica Livingston About YC's Female Founders Conference

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I watched the FFC live and what struck me was that it was the same as any other founder conference except that it was a girl on stage instead of a dude. If we want to stop making gender a big deal then we need to stop making gender a big deal. There is no Male Founder Conference right?

> we need to stop making gender a big deal By your own admission, FFC didn't make a big deal out of gender and is therefore doing as you ask. Events like these are appreciated and found helpful by the women who participate in them. Isn't that sufficient grounds to be happy that they are taking place?

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Re: An Open Letter to Jessica Livingston About YC's Female Founders Conference

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I watched the FFC live and what struck me was that it was the same as any other founder conference except that it was a girl on stage instead of a dude. If we want to stop making gender a big deal then we need to stop making gender a big deal. There is no Male Founder Conference right?

> we need to stop making gender a big deal By your own admission, FFC didn't make a big deal out of gender and is therefore doing as you ask. Events like these are appreciated and found helpful by the women who participate in them. Isn't that sufficient grounds to be happy that they are taking place?

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Re: An Open Letter to Jessica Livingston About YC's Female Founders Conference

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I watched the FFC live and what struck me was that it was the same as any other founder conference except that it was a girl on stage instead of a dude. If we want to stop making gender a big deal then we need to stop making gender a big deal. There is no Male Founder Conference right?

> we need to stop making gender a big deal By your own admission, FFC didn't make a big deal out of gender and is therefore doing as you ask. Events like these are appreciated and found helpful by the women who participate in them. Isn't that sufficient grounds to be happy that they are taking place?

If the first word of the title is a gender exclusive term, and that is not making it a big deal, what would be considered making it a big deal?

Re: An Open Letter to Jessica Livingston About YC's Female Founders Conference

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"I’ve lived my life in a 'man’s world', receiving a degree in mechanical engineering—which contains the lowest percentage of women compared to any other engineering field at just 7.2%—from an already male-dominated university." Going on a tangent, I suspect areas like mechanical engineering and computer science are still "boy's clubs" due to one thing: social prestige. I feel that women are more attracted to high pre…

This is the first time I've heard engineering called low prestige.

It's now low prestige, it's just lower prestige than e.g. medicine, law or "investment banking".

Re: An Open Letter to Jessica Livingston About YC's Female Founders Conference

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think The Big Bang Theory is pretty awful too, but I think how you describe what you do makes a difference: - "I'm a programmer" (people think about typing) - "I make apps" (people think about the amazing things you create...by typing)

That works well for customer-facing software, but I'm not so sure about the general case. "I make a quality control system for a large factory" (people think about all sorts of boring things) "I make payroll software" (people feign interest for a moment, then change the topic)

I mean, most jobs are boring. Some are boring in the broad view, and actually interesting in the particulars (many software jobs fall into this category); a few are the inverse (some science jobs sound fascinating but actually involve lots of tedious, repetitive work). The majority of jobs are boring in both the big picture and the details.

If you want a job that will interest/impress people at a cocktail party, that is an extremely short list of careers.

Re: An Open Letter to Jessica Livingston About YC's Female Founders Conference

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, top jobs where women dominate are all super high prestige, elementary school teachers, nursing/health aides, secretarial, retail, food service... :)

You failed to include all the blue collar low-prestige jobs where men are far more common, like construction, factory jobs and warehouse work. For every profession that is low prestige and largely female, there is another profession that low prestige and largely male.

And for every high-prestige profession dominated by men, there is one dominated by women, natch.
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