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Ask HN: Is it too late to do a startup after 35?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it too late to do a startup after 35?

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"Doing a startup" is a middling to bad idea (particularly if you mean "working for below-market wages & illiquid impossible-to-value options at a hip VC funded consumer web foosball emporium", as opposed to actually founding). "Starting a company" on the other hand is an excellent idea, if you think you've found a niche where you can make it work. Your remarks about wanting to "feel the excitement" and "compete with…

And #2 never works: people who try that soon find that they're too worn out to climb anything fun, they're stuck in the mountains, and they don't like being there any more.

Re: Ask HN: Is it too late to do a startup after 35?

#42
No, nor at 45, 55, or 65.

The biggest advantages early-twenty-somethings have over later age groups is a higher risk tolerance and a lack of obligations getting in the way of putting in unlimited time at the office.

The latter is a little dubious, since the data shows that productivity tends to fall after about 40 hours of work a week and to drop off a cliff after 50. Sometimes you gotta crunch, but if you're crunching all the time something is wrong. I consider that a sign of poor planning or "work hygiene."

The former does matter, but it can be overcome by compensating with better planning and by leveraging superior experience. You can compensate for lower risk tolerance by working to de-risk the venture as early as possible as much as you can.

Re: Ask HN: Is it too late to do a startup after 35?

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Nope. The founder of http://magnetis.com.br spent most of his life working in a bank and in a fund. Money wasn't a problem, but he was unhappy. He's got a management background, and never programmed until his late thirties. He then learned Ruby, found a few partners and created this app to track the performance of investment funds. During my internship in the company, he took part as CEO and developer. So, if you have enough dedication, you can completely change your life regardless of age.

Re: Ask HN: Is it too late to do a startup after 35?

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The biggest challenge I find with ex-corporate mid 30s folks is their inability to reduce their personal burn and lifestyle in order to survive the startup process to succeed. The question you're asking is the wrong one. It's not how old you are. The question is, can you do without your pay, sustain your family (if you have one) and the mental stress around that, for 18-24 months before your startup becomes profitabl…

First of all, unless you are a co-founder of a bootstrapped startup, you should ask yourself some very hard questions if you are asked to do without pay or take a pay cut unless your pay is extremely high to begin with.

Having done half a dozen plus startups, I've had to deal with low pay once, and that was a startup I did at 19, four of us co-founded an ISP and got about $50k funding from a guy almost as clueless as we were. Since then I've been able to demand, and get, market rate salaries on top of options or outright shares past initial periods of working on the project evenings etc. The startups I've been part of have in fact been more stable when it comes to paying on time.

There are cases where taking salary cuts are ok and justified to make a startup work, but there better be a lot of equity in there.

As for being able to reduce burn, I spend about 50% of my after tax income normally. Less at the moment due to some consulting. This is with a child and a mortgage. While i's true I spend more than I did at 20 (I'm 39 now), inflation adjusted the difference is small, and my income also allows me to build up a buffer which means I'm far better able to deal with loss of income today than I was then. It also means that I can live off 4-5 days of consulting a month in a crisis.

While I'm sure you're right for a lot of people, there are plenty of us for whom our 30's or 40's have brought a huge increase in financial flexibility.

Re: Ask HN: Is it too late to do a startup after 35?

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YC interviewers say yes. Some have directly told me that they use this equation when judging applications: impressiveness = achievements / age Now that YC has tried to tackle the race and gender concerns, I really hope that ageism is next. They can start by switching the age application question to just an "over 18?" checkbox.

As someone who is 39, why is "impressiveness = achievements / age" a problem in your eyes?

Looking back at my own life, pretty much all my worthwhile achievements has come after 20, and according to that formula I'd come out very favourable against 20-25 years olds like myself.

That formula is pretty much just saying that they expect people to have more achievements the older they are, which does not seem unreasonable to me.

Re: Ask HN: Is it too late to do a startup after 35?

#47
If you have the vision and the guts to make it happen you can do it at any age. BUT, think about your life situation, how adverse to risk are you? Can you put in long hours if needed with out FAMILY suffering? Mid life is a often a lot about family. I am getting close to sending my last child off to college. When I get there I am open for anything. But I know many of my kids friends better then their mother or father does. They talk to me about their problems, don't miss out on your children(s) life... No amount of money can make up for it.

Re: Ask HN: Is it too late to do a startup after 35?

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YC interviewers say yes. Some have directly told me that they use this equation when judging applications: impressiveness = achievements / age Now that YC has tried to tackle the race and gender concerns, I really hope that ageism is next. They can start by switching the age application question to just an "over 18?" checkbox.

As someone who is 39, why is "impressiveness = achievements / age" a problem in your eyes? Looking back at my own life, pretty much all my worthwhile achievements has come after 20, and according to that formula I'd come out very favourable against 20-25 years olds like myself. That formula is pretty much just saying that they expect people to have more achievements the older they are, which does not seem unreasonabl…

No one has ever said "that's incredible for a 40 year old".

Only the young get benefit from this equation. I would bet that your achievements would not be considered great by someone who uses this equation, no matter how great they are.

The somewhat misquoted phrase that's attributed to the Alibaba CEO describes the spirit of people who use this type of thinking better than my equation will:

"If you're not rich at 35, you deserve it!"

Re: Ask HN: Is it too late to do a startup after 35?

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a family, obligations, the amount of risk you can take on might be more limited. It's ok taking equity in leui of a decent salary in your 20's when single, but this is much harder when life goals change after having a kid.

Well, that is another stereotype. When you're older and have held more high-paying jobs, you also tend to have savings, assets, a better credit history and other funds to cushion the blow. Plus, with a spouse, you have economies of scale potentially so they can work while you lead a startup with little or no pay. I would guarantee if you took a survey, that the average founder actually falls somewhere around 38-45 ye…

I was referring to working for a startup than founding one. I think you are right about founding, that many founders will be older necessarily. And in that case, you at least have controls of the risks and are chasing your vision, not someone else's. But working for a startup at 40 seems problematic, since you aren't really taking risks as an entrepreneur.

Re: Ask HN: Is it too late to do a startup after 35?

#50
Certainly not. In fact during the Female Founders Conference today Jessica mentioned that there's someone in the current batch who's in their late 60's.

Assuming you don't squander your early years starting older has some advantages. When you're older you've likely built some domain expertise, have a better idea of what you want from life, and can support yourself better.

For example, I started in my late 20's. By that time I'd saved a lot of money, built steady passive income, was married (wife's career keeps her busy), and didn't have any kids. Since most other areas of my life were taken care (especially financial) of I could pour myself into my startup without worrying about raising money or runway.

That said, remember that wanting to feel "the excitement of a start-up" is the wrong reason to join or start one. Before quitting your job I'd highly recommend just starting a side project and do it for at least 6 months before making any major decisions. It's very unglamorous and odds are you won't even launch a product, which is fine. Better to learn that now than after you quit your job because 35 isn't too old to start a startup but it is too old to be unemployed.

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