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Re: Ask HN: What to do when all you have is talent?

#31
I can't speak for the rest of the industry, but since I'm the CTO of an information security consultancy, I can at least provide an informed opinion.

Many, many security companies don't care what your formal education is. The reason for this is simple: there aren't many (or, perhaps, any) undergraduate computer security programs that are cutting-edge and relevant enough to teach the skills needed to be a good hacker. Unless we're talking about graduate-degrees, I barely glance at a prospective hire's formal education -- there's just not enough correlation between that piece of paper and performance on the job.

What I do look for is self-motivation, passion, and drive. I know it's cliché, but you can't be great at infosec if you're just pulling the 9-5 -- it has to be something you really care about. You have to stay on top of everything.

So how does one measure passion?

Clearly, if you can talk about side-projects you've done in the security realm, that's a great start. If not, being involved with the community (such as the free and local Security BSides conferences, OWASP meetups, etc.), shows that security is something that you really care about. Those events are free (or maybe $10), and show a lot of drive.

I know your actual question was in terms of IT disciplines, not just security, but I'm confident that what I'm saying here applies to almost every selective career type. You're trying to be competitive in a tough environment, so you have to make yourself stand out. Really, really wanting something usually shows.

That said, feel free to shoot me an email if you're still interested in the security route. I'm always looking for new engineers!

Re: Ask HN: What to do when all you have is talent?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm concerned that, with Steve Jobs gone, Apple is going to implode and lose their market share. So there may be no iOS jobs 5 years from now. They won't. Apple's vertical integration gives them a UI advantage. 'Normals' like easy-to-use things.

Techs like easy-to-use things too. I've got 15+ years IT background, but I use Apple phones specifically because they get out of my way and just work for everything I want a smartphone to do. I don't have to tweak, I don't have to customize and I don't have to fix. Also they have a sane approach to bugfixes and security. Sure, it's not an open platform, but Android isn't really either. I don't have time to care, I've…

Good point.

There are definitely some people who tolerate less polish[0]... I think I've made a category error!

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations

Re: Ask HN: What to do when all you have is talent?

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1. Find a cushy job in government or a very large corporation, where you can bluff your way through indefinitely. 2. Buckle down and master some real skills that are in demand. It's a cop out to say there are "too many options". All you have to do is pick one you're interested in and put the time in. You have to specialize though. Security isn't specific enough, penetration testing is, or iOS/Android development, fro…

I understand. I was nervous about using the right terminology when rambling out the OP. Pen Testing was the area I had been focusing on. I have taken online courses and have real-world experience doing that but not in a "professional" capacity. That being said, how much weight do certifications carry when applying for employment in that area?

Re: Ask HN: What to do when all you have is talent?

#34
Maybe I'm dumb but nobody who's hired me ever cared of my (lack of) degrees. All they cared about was proof that I could get stuff done, which is one of the purpose of my Github. AFAIK, talent is all I have, and I've never had a hard time finding jobs as a developer. And I learned and started writing code 4 years ago, so it's not like I'm a child prodigy or something.

I'm just a dude who picked up programming a few years ago. What I'm trying to say is that I'm not special and I'm doing fine. You likely have more experience than I, so there's nothing that should prevent you from getting in a similar situation. One thing I do have for myself is confidence, so maybe that's all there is to it.

Re: Ask HN: What to do when all you have is talent?

#35
Maybe offer to work for free for 2-4 weeks (10-20 hours per week) for someone you respect, with no expectation of a job, just the expectation of very candid feedback/coaching at the end of the time period.

Getting your skillet where you can meaningfully add value in the first two weeks is not necessarily trivial.

Re: Ask HN: What to do when all you have is talent?

#36
Do bug bounties.

I remember when Facebook used to put, what I presume, were PK IDs from a user table in their URL query strings. Lower numbers being earlier users. Anyway, I couldn't find Mark Z, but messaged one of the early staff. I then got a friend request off him. Pretty sure if I'd been a dev at the time, I could have convinced him to get me an interview.

Re: Ask HN: What to do when all you have is talent?

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>I don't know what's in demand. What can people still turn in to a long-term career? What area or "discipline" in IT shows promise for a career? Here's one rule of thumb I've been using to gauge demand. If someone's willing to hire you to use a tool even though you haven't really used it before, then the demand is there. Another warning is that what's hot now may not be hot 5 years from now. iOS is hot right now. I'm…

Apple is too large to implode and fail quickly. Even if they do fail it will be a slow death or just a leveling off. Look at Microsoft. The last ~10 years they been getting beaten in many large markets they are entering, but they are still a massive player.

There's no way Blackberry could lose their market share. Even if they do fail it would be slowly or a leveling off. There's no way they could go from the leader to zero in 5 years.

Re: Ask HN: What to do when all you have is talent?

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post #20

1. Find a cushy job in government or a very large corporation, where you can bluff your way through indefinitely. 2. Buckle down and master some real skills that are in demand. It's a cop out to say there are "too many options". All you have to do is pick one you're interested in and put the time in. You have to specialize though. Security isn't specific enough, penetration testing is, or iOS/Android development, fro…

I understand. I was nervous about using the right terminology when rambling out the OP. Pen Testing was the area I had been focusing on. I have taken online courses and have real-world experience doing that but not in a "professional" capacity. That being said, how much weight do certifications carry when applying for employment in that area?

It's easy to see gauge your skill at penetration testing. Just try to collect some security bounties. Certifications don't matter much at good companies.

Re: Ask HN: What to do when all you have is talent?

#40

Maybe I'm dumb but nobody who's hired me ever cared of my (lack of) degrees. All they cared about was proof that I could get stuff done, which is one of the purpose of my Github. AFAIK, talent is all I have, and I've never had a hard time finding jobs as a developer. And I learned and started writing code 4 years ago, so it's not like I'm a child prodigy or something. I'm just a dude who picked up programming a few y…

Thank you for the input. While Pen Testing has always been my goal, I have started looking at things like Database Development or Full-stack web dev training. Problem is, my financial situation doesn't always allow for me to get access to structured learning.
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