I agree that it's a loophole, although if it was closed, exactly the same number of jobs would be "lost", because there is a cap. The only difference is that different people would get the H-1B's, which would be good for other reasons. There is an even bigger loophole in immigration law, which is that the government turns a blind eye to illegal immigration from Mexico. However saying so is considered "racist" since a…
It surprises me that liberals generally come down on the side unlimited illegal immigration when the people harmed most are marginalized poor workers who are overwhelmingly disadvantaged minorities themselves (lawful black and Hispanic residents). Ironically, driving down the cost of labor is great for rich people who are generally conservative and oppose illegal immigration.
A loophole in immigration law is costing thousands of American jobs
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Re: A loophole in immigration law is costing thousands of American jobs
#12According to the article, 50-60 year olds IT specialist who "install, maintain and manage Edison's computer hardware and software" are making $80-$160k / year ($120k on average).
Those salaries seem to be 2-3x market rate for such work. Even the salaries paid to the new, outsorced people ($65-$70 average (sic)) are on the high side for someone who installs software.
The article claims this is a "loophole" because H1B is supposed to replace "highly skilled, hard to replace workers" ergo those $120k/year are not highly skilled, hard to replace, which begs the question: how come are they all making $100-$190k/year (https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1671...)?
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#14The problem with H1-B is that it is temporary in nature and the person gets booted from the country if fired. That depresses wages and is also fundamentally unfair to the immigrant. H1-Bs should be converted into greencards after 3 years. Also, anyone graduating from an America college should get a greencard.
I think a new class of non-employer-dependent work visa for foreign graduates of US colleges and universities would be a great idea, if coupled with H1-B reform.
For example, there should be reform to wage calculations (e.g., forcing companies to use median or average calculations of the wage bands), a hard percentage cap on the number of H1-B employees and contractors a company can employ (in other words, getting rid of "H-1B dependent companies" under 20 CFR 655.736(a)), and tighter evidentiary requirements under 8 USC 1182(G)(i) regarding good-faith efforts to recruit US workers for a position.
Really, though, some of the current legislative brakes should be sufficient to curb some of these abuses. For example, 8 USC 1182(n)(1)(E) seems, prima facie, to be sufficient to deny visas to an H1-B-dependent company which is engaged in displacing US workers -- pretty much the textbook definition of Tata. The fact that it isn't being enforced indicates that there are regulatory problems as well as legislative.
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#15Can you imagine someone making (with a straight face) the argument that people from Detroit shouldn't be allowed to move to San Francisco to take a better job, because they'll steal jobs from and drive down the wages of SF natives? What's the difference?
Re: A loophole in immigration law is costing thousands of American jobs
#16The problem with H1-B is that it is temporary in nature and the person gets booted from the country if fired. That depresses wages and is also fundamentally unfair to the immigrant. H1-Bs should be converted into greencards after 3 years. Also, anyone graduating from an America college should get a greencard.
No, please, no. We know where that will lead. The so-called "Masters Cap" exists, that's another 20K H1B visa on top of the 65K quota for those graduating with a Masters degree from an American institution. Who could have guessed that that would lead to a cancer of taught masters degrees?
These degrees are cheap to put on (just define a few advanced undergrad classes as required for the Masters degree) and come at no extra cost for the university (the class needs to be taught anyway). Boof, it's free money and a guaranteed stream of desperate foreigners. These "let-me-stay-in-the-US courses" need to be killed dead, they aren't even education.
Meanwhile any foreigner with an actual degree still gets to jump through extraordinary hoops for the green card.
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#17As an Indian, I really really hope they ban Tata and Infosys (or any other Indian outsourcing company) from getting H1-B visas. The people they bring over are the bottom of the barrel in India and have no interest in Computer Science whatsoever. They suck at their jobs. They can't write a single paragraph in English without grammatical errors. Furthermore, incidents like these will perpetuate xenophobia against the g…
Re: A loophole in immigration law is costing thousands of American jobs
#18Let's say for the sake of argument that every Indian immigrant displaces one American from their job. Under what moral calculus is that a bad trade? The per-capita income in India is almost exactly 10 times less than in the US. By American standards, keeping someone from leaving India seems pretty equivalent to condemning them to life-long poverty. Can you imagine someone making (with a straight face) the argument th…
That's a bit of a leap.
"Can you imagine someone making (with a straight face) the argument that people from Detroit shouldn't be allowed to move to San Francisco to take a better job, because they'll steal jobs from and drive down the wages of SF natives? What's the difference?"
Probably the fact that Michigan and California are 2 states within the US and whilst America is protectionist (as are most sovereign nations) against other countries when it comes to labour (with few exceptions like the EU), there are laws that prevent this kind of protectionism between states.
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#19Let's say for the sake of argument that every Indian immigrant displaces one American from their job. Under what moral calculus is that a bad trade? The per-capita income in India is almost exactly 10 times less than in the US. By American standards, keeping someone from leaving India seems pretty equivalent to condemning them to life-long poverty. Can you imagine someone making (with a straight face) the argument th…
Because that is the difference. If you arguing that national borders are immoral... well, I might agree in theory. But many more things besides immigration change at that point, and we are not there right now.
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#20Let's say for the sake of argument that every Indian immigrant displaces one American from their job. Under what moral calculus is that a bad trade? The per-capita income in India is almost exactly 10 times less than in the US. By American standards, keeping someone from leaving India seems pretty equivalent to condemning them to life-long poverty. Can you imagine someone making (with a straight face) the argument th…
Look at it this way. Indians are much richer than sub-Saharan Africans. But go over there and tell them that they have a moral obligation to allow African immigration. People will laugh at you, if you're lucky.