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Too much finance is bad for the economy
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Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy
#52I'm an engineer. I could go into a high-risk career trying to cure cancer, or I could flip houses. By my (admittedly rough and speculative) math, I'd make more money doing the second. This has nothing to do with finance and everything to do with how capitalism privileges owners. Just because I can do something (e.g. cure cancer) doesn't mean I should do it out of some regard for the "public good", requiring great sac…
Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy
#53The traditional definition of a bank as a middleman between savers and businesses is very, very wrong.
Almost all bank financing is directed at existing assets, mainly real estate, and that financing is unconstrained by deposits.
Therefore it is mainly speculative and parasitic, rather than investment-oriented and productive. It is also self-reinforcing in that finance drives up prices which become collateral for more finance... and so on.
Hence... inequality, stagnation, and the rest.
Adair Turner gives a good overview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVQdeb0EdWA
Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy
#54One of the drivers behind this is the tax preference for debt over dividends. There's been a trillion dollars worth of stock buybacks since 2008, an action taken mostly to reduce taxes. That generates work for Wall Street, and wealth for those "near the money", working on various deals.
Then there are "hedge funds". Hedge funds, as a class, underperform the market, partly because of their excessive fees. The traditional hedge fund fee is "2 and 20", or 2% of the amount invested each year plus 20% of gains. This, too, is self-generated activity of Wall Street.
Then there are Exchange Traded Funds. Regular mutual funds are priced once a day, after the market closes. ETFs are constantly traded, generating commissions. ETFs have some tax advantages over regular mutual funds, and are thus another exploit of a flaw in tax policy. They can also be shorted and optioned, which are zero-sum operations which do nothing for the economy.
Then there's high-frequency trading, which is a form of front-running. This skims a tiny percentage off of other transactions.
None of this contributes to capital formation, and most of it was illegal a few decades ago.
Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is the current standard of living the ideal? Why not 10 years ago, or 10 years into the future? How about 20? 30?
I don't think that the current standard of living is ideal and I really hope it will improve a lot. But I don't see that improving the standard of living requires economic growth, I think change will do.
Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy
#56No, a large financial sector is an indicator of inefficiencies elsewhere. Else, there wouldn't be a reason to pay middlemen to solve said inefficiencies.
Primarily, they invest. Putting money into places that need capital and will likely grow.
Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can't say I agree with these statements. I would wager that the scale of money a rapidly growing finance sector is using is more important than an unsubstantiated claim of industry brain-drain.
Totally agree. When the finance sector grows, demands for return interest on capital investment intensifies, acting as a gravity-well for capital away from development. Firms like Goldman make every investment require higher and higher returns at a greater and greater scale. Money chasing money. Casino economy. Instead of opening a new line of business, your profits must be funneled into paying back on that loan at h…
Which is better: a bright graduate working on making a large web company's advertising algorithms slightly more efficient or the same person working for an investment bank on a bond deal that helps a biotech company raise more money for future R&D?
Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy
#58No, a large financial sector is an indicator of inefficiencies elsewhere. Else, there wouldn't be a reason to pay middlemen to solve said inefficiencies.
A banker gets paid to allocate capital, manage risk, and so on, and gets to share in some profits as an incentive to make the correct decisions. Take the reward and allocate it towards bribing politicians to remove restrictions on banking, accumulate more money, spend more money on "lobbying" or "campaign contributions" (that is, more bribery). Lather, rinse and repeat for 3 decades or so, and suddenly you're not being paid a rational amount for improving market efficiency, you're just bleeding off money from the economy. Become "too big to fail", reap the rewards of risky investments that pay off, dump the cost of failed investments on the public purse, reinvest the money to skew regulations in your favour even more, profit.
Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bankers are middlemen and gatekeepers. Unlike pool cleaners, doctors, cooks and gardeners.
Not always. Finance is a pretty big industry and its hard to make a sweeping generalization like this. For example, let's look at your checking account. A banker's not a middleman here - they're providing a service that allows you to keep you money safe for free while they invest it and assume the risk. Seems like a good service to me.
Update: Having been down-voted below zero... I would encourage everyone to visit the Fed, BoE, ECB, BIS etc. websites and discover how money is created. We would not be in our current economic state if this was better understood.
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarte...
Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy
#60"Too much finance is bad for the economy. Please pay us to hear our reasoning."
"Or, don't pay us and get used to getting your news/op-eds in GIF form through Buzzfeed" What would you rather have?
That said, there are plenty of free publications with quality writing. Paying for an article hardly correlates with its excellence.