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Too much finance is bad for the economy

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Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy

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"Too much finance is bad for the economy. Please pay us to hear our reasoning."

Given that the working paper is free, I have no idea why you would say that. http://bis.org/publ/work490.pdf

Did you find that out by circumventing the pay wall? Perhaps I missed it but it wasn't clear from the stub.

Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy

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Basically bankers are like lawyers, gardeners, cooks, doctors, pool cleaners etc: service jobs to help other people get things done. When you elevate the sector to have implicit value you get a terrible distortion.

Not sure I agree with putting doctors and cooks on that list. Providing services basic to life is not the same as supporting recreation, wealth, or luxury.

To put a finer point on it, doctors and cooks, along with farmers, builders, teachers, daycare workers, et al. existed ever since everyone started specializing. They directly support life needs.

Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy

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No, a large financial sector is an indicator of inefficiencies elsewhere. Else, there wouldn't be a reason to pay middlemen to solve said inefficiencies.

That is all that was said, correlation between too-large financial sector and negative overall growth.

Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy

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Basically bankers are like lawyers, gardeners, cooks, doctors, pool cleaners etc: service jobs to help other people get things done. When you elevate the sector to have implicit value you get a terrible distortion.

Bankers are middlemen and gatekeepers.

Unlike pool cleaners, doctors, cooks and gardeners.

Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy

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> In short, the finance sector lures away high-skilled workers from other industries. The finance sector then lends the money to businesses, but tends to favour those firms that have collateral they can pledge against the loan. This usually means builders and property developers. Businessmen are lured into this sector rather than into riskier projects that require high R&D spending and have less collateral to pledge.

The article doesn't explain the linkage. Why would poaching of high-skilled workers lead to investment in companies with collateral? Or, are they just saying that whenever finance becomes prominent it attempts to drive out risk ruthlessly?

Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy

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Meh. What do we need economic growth for anyway? Producing and throwing away another hundred million tons of food every year? New phones every six months or once a quarter? A third car? More shoes? We have enough of everything and much more, there is absolutely no need to grow western economies any further.

We don't have nearly enough health. The ability to spend more on medical research is enough reason all by itself to keep the economy growing.

Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy

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Basically bankers are like lawyers, gardeners, cooks, doctors, pool cleaners etc: service jobs to help other people get things done. When you elevate the sector to have implicit value you get a terrible distortion.

Bankers are middlemen and gatekeepers. Unlike pool cleaners, doctors, cooks and gardeners.

Not always. Finance is a pretty big industry and its hard to make a sweeping generalization like this.

For example, let's look at your checking account. A banker's not a middleman here - they're providing a service that allows you to keep you money safe for free while they invest it and assume the risk. Seems like a good service to me.

Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy

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No, a large financial sector is an indicator of inefficiencies elsewhere. Else, there wouldn't be a reason to pay middlemen to solve said inefficiencies.

In theory, although our large financial sector creates some of those inefficiencies and lobbies for others. It's rather like the mafia in that respect.

Fraud at the heart of high finance, unsustainable lending, de-regulation of gambling activities and ZIRP all contribute to said inefficiencies.

Re: Too much finance is bad for the economy

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post #12

Meh. What do we need economic growth for anyway? Producing and throwing away another hundred million tons of food every year? New phones every six months or once a quarter? A third car? More shoes? We have enough of everything and much more, there is absolutely no need to grow western economies any further.

It's true we as a species don't need economic growth, but we could really use some scientific and technological growth to achieve the twin aims of a) maintaining our beautiful biosphere, and b) extending it beyond earth.

Unfortunately, the individual, market demand for these large-scale "products" is minuscule - which means that (modulo SpaceX) you only get political will behind them, which means academic research funded by government grants, which means a not-very-well-paid and overtly politicized existence for anyone wanting to "get out and push".

That said, I think there's a curious and under-served middle-ground in First-World countries, particularly in the US, which is to develop distributed, self-reliant, green (and inherently 'local') ways of living through technology. It helps with the biosphere goal, and plays to the "rugged individualism" meme that is still present, at least in a vestigial form. Maybe when people are running their own solar panels, hydroponic garden/air purifier, reusing waste water, there will be less interest in finance.

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