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Re: Lenovo's Response to Its Dangerous Adware Is Astonishingly Clueless

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Post by gumby »

engendered wrote: post #54
jhou2 wrote: post #26

Kudos to MS, srsly. lol the amount of positive press that MS has been garnering recently on HN is impressive.

Don't think it is purely happenstance. There is absolutely and unequivocally either brigading Microsoft fans, or paid shills, hitting HN hard. There was a garbage post on the front page yesterday and I left a completely benign post that didn't go with the pro-Microsoft/anti-Google narrative -- saw -11 within less than 60 seconds.

> Don't think it is purely happenstance.

I agree that it's not purely happenstance -- I think Microsoft the company is making a genuine bid to be relevant again.

It's a desperate bid, and I don't think it's in their DNA to succeed, but it'd be great if it happens. Personally I avoid using MS whenever possible; I still have to use Word and Excel to communicate with others, and some conferences still require a PPT file.

Even back when Microsoft was a big player I never found the Windows programming model technically appealing, but even if I had I would have stayed away because their anticompetitive approach was too risky and hostile for me to be willing to depend on. They became addicted to that instead of technical excellence, which is why I think this effort will fail, no matter how sincere the commitment is at the top.

But they do employ many smart people and surely it is good if we have more sources of good technology (where good is a combination of technical excellence & good policy). So why not encourage them in the hope they get their shit together?

Re: Lenovo's Response to Its Dangerous Adware Is Astonishingly Clueless

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Post by engendered »

remarkEon wrote: post #99
engendered wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't think it is purely happenstance. There is absolutely and unequivocally either brigading Microsoft fans, or paid shills, hitting HN hard. There was a garbage post on the front page yesterday and I left a completely benign post that didn't go with the pro-Microsoft/anti-Google narrative -- saw -11 within less than 60 seconds.

Does everything have to be a conspiracy? So either Microsoft is building some good and interesting stuff, or there's some conspiracy to target HN that would get them...what, exactly? +Karma here?

Does my statement somehow make everything a conspiracy? Boy, we on HN are supremely good at knocking down those strawmen.

"or there's some conspiracy to target HN that would get them...what, exactly? +Karma here?"

Is this supposed to be intentionally naive? Microsoft is a technology company that heavily relies upon buy in and advocacy. Is this really difficult to understand?

Every single comment to my post has either been an absurd strawman, simply a lie (daeken's nonsense), or just someone thinking they earn peer points. Sad.

Re: Lenovo's Response to Its Dangerous Adware Is Astonishingly Clueless

#103

Post by scarmig »

engendered wrote: post #54
jhou2 wrote: post #26

Kudos to MS, srsly. lol the amount of positive press that MS has been garnering recently on HN is impressive.

Don't think it is purely happenstance. There is absolutely and unequivocally either brigading Microsoft fans, or paid shills, hitting HN hard. There was a garbage post on the front page yesterday and I left a completely benign post that didn't go with the pro-Microsoft/anti-Google narrative -- saw -11 within less than 60 seconds.

There's also the possibility--very distant, I know--that Microsoft has been put into the odd position of being an underdog in many areas, which gives it the flexibility and necessity to act morally to make inroads against competitors among consumers.

Of all the BigCos, MS seems the best to me right now, and I say that as a guy who's made a habit of buying a Lenovo laptop every year or so and immediately installing Linux on it.

Re: Lenovo's Response to Its Dangerous Adware Is Astonishingly Clueless

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Post by stcredzero »

tedks wrote: post #14
rcthompson wrote: post #10

I warned all my friends and colleagues who use Lenovos, and their answers were all the same. "Who'd be crazy enough to use the default install? First thing I did was (a fresh reinstall of Windows|install Linux)." (Edit: Obviously this is not representative of the general population, and I didn't mean to suggest it was. I was just noting that my efforts to warn people about the untrustworthiness of Lenovo were thwarte…

You live in a bubble. There are plenty of people who use Lenovo products that are not tech people. By saying this, even though you don't intend to, you are minimizing the effect of this and being an apologist for lenovo.

An intellectual should always be wary of semantic equivalents to, "You're either for us, or against us." In greatest part, because this is one of the major symptoms that one's consciousness is partly clouded by group psychology.

Re: Lenovo's Response to Its Dangerous Adware Is Astonishingly Clueless

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Post by 9k548j219 »

remarkEon wrote: post #99
engendered wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't think it is purely happenstance. There is absolutely and unequivocally either brigading Microsoft fans, or paid shills, hitting HN hard. There was a garbage post on the front page yesterday and I left a completely benign post that didn't go with the pro-Microsoft/anti-Google narrative -- saw -11 within less than 60 seconds.

Does everything have to be a conspiracy? So either Microsoft is building some good and interesting stuff, or there's some conspiracy to target HN that would get them...what, exactly? +Karma here?

For nearly any reoccurring subject on HN, someone on HN likely believes any non-negative comments about it are the result of shills.

Re: Lenovo's Response to Its Dangerous Adware Is Astonishingly Clueless

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Post by [deleted] »

devy wrote: post #45

I found this whole Lenovo Adware-gate very hypocritical. Why everyone blames the messenger Lenovo but not the source Superfish? Why? Is it because Lenovo is a Chinese company whereas Superfish is a Iserali-American company based in Silicon Valley? Before this adware-gate, EVERY PC manufacturer bundles adware, HP, Dell, Acer, Lenovo, Asus to name a few top players(Apple perhaps is the only exception as I don't count t…

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Re: Lenovo's Response to Its Dangerous Adware Is Astonishingly Clueless

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Post by sandGorgon »

gbl08ma wrote: post #92
billhendricksjr wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thinkpad T430s. It's a year old so I'm in the clear upon more detailed reading of the article. I usually do a clean install but when I bought this box it came installed with Win 7 and the discs I got were Win 8 only. Didn't come with a Win 7 serial. This is what I get for buying from a reseller on Amazon.

If you have Windows installed I think you can extract the license key from it (assuming Windows is genuine), then use it to do a clean install, or just save it for posterity in case the hard disk ever dies. As far as I know this is fine WRT Windows EULA.

no you cant - not in lenovo's case. The reason for this is that the keys for lenovo correspond to a very special Windows release that Microsoft specially bakes for Lenovo. You cannot use the keys on any other ISO. This is also a big problem - you cant download these ISOs (unless some *rrentbay) and Lenovo does not give you CDs readily.

Re: Lenovo's Response to Its Dangerous Adware Is Astonishingly Clueless

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Post by sandGorgon »

billhendricksjr wrote: post #23
secabeen wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a Thinkpad, or a consumer model? The Thinkpads were never involved in this.

Thinkpad T430s. It's a year old so I'm in the clear upon more detailed reading of the article. I usually do a clean install but when I bought this box it came installed with Win 7 and the discs I got were Win 8 only. Didn't come with a Win 7 serial. This is what I get for buying from a reseller on Amazon.

T430s user here - you should be proud. Did you know Coreboot started supporting T430s a week back [1] ?

[1] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Coreboot-...

Re: Lenovo's Response to Its Dangerous Adware Is Astonishingly Clueless

#109

Post by danielweber »

engendered wrote: post #54
jhou2 wrote: post #26

Kudos to MS, srsly. lol the amount of positive press that MS has been garnering recently on HN is impressive.

Don't think it is purely happenstance. There is absolutely and unequivocally either brigading Microsoft fans, or paid shills, hitting HN hard. There was a garbage post on the front page yesterday and I left a completely benign post that didn't go with the pro-Microsoft/anti-Google narrative -- saw -11 within less than 60 seconds.

I thought a comment went dead and stopped getting votes after it hit -5.

Re: Lenovo's Response to Its Dangerous Adware Is Astonishingly Clueless

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Post by HelloMcFly »

engendered wrote: post #54
jhou2 wrote: post #26

Kudos to MS, srsly. lol the amount of positive press that MS has been garnering recently on HN is impressive.

Don't think it is purely happenstance. There is absolutely and unequivocally either brigading Microsoft fans, or paid shills, hitting HN hard. There was a garbage post on the front page yesterday and I left a completely benign post that didn't go with the pro-Microsoft/anti-Google narrative -- saw -11 within less than 60 seconds.

I downvote any post made complaining about "obvious brigading" or complaining or the vote score and I doubt I'm alone.
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