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Ask HN: Do forced startup ideas work?

#1
Let me begin by clarifying the term 'forced' - in this context I would describe it as any idea that was artificially realized against a criteria, rather than an idea that naturally evolved as a need to solve a problem. For example;

Forced: There is a lot of growth in X market, lets think of something new within that area

Natural: Booking taxis is such a pain, wouldn't it be nice for them to see my GPS coordinates - Uber is conceptualized.

That being said, how many of you have successfully built a startup based on an idea that was retrofitted to a set of criteria's (eg. Paul Graham's startups we'd like to fund essay) rather than as a solution to any of your problems.

Is a natural idea more likely to succeed than an artificial one?

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#2
Your chances are seriously increased if you are addressing a real and validated market need such as "Booking taxis is such a pain" and you get the method to solve the problem right e.g. "wouldn't it be nice for them to see my GPS coordinates".

In any case, conceptualizing is merely the beginning of building a business around an idea.

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Both are very likely to fail. Execution and luck swamp any factors stemming from missionary versus doggy style conception.

> Both are very likely to fail

Applies if the execution and luck of the founders is rather poor - something that will normally be true in all cases.

My question focuses on the likelihood of success based solely on the method of idea acquisition.

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Both are very likely to fail. Execution and luck swamp any factors stemming from missionary versus doggy style conception.

> Both are very likely to fail Applies if the execution and luck of the founders is rather poor - something that will normally be true in all cases. My question focuses on the likelihood of success based solely on the method of idea acquisition.

To a first approximation: zero in both cases.

It's not a place for meaningful optimization. See JustinTV.

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#6
When shit hits the fan and life sucks because things just are not going right for a time, passion, execution, belief and determination are what pulls you though. If you don't have those items about the idea, then it doesn't matter how the idea came about.

As for what historically has been more successful, I don't know of any real metric that defines it. But I'd say from perception I have formed over the years, Natural ideas seem to win in terms of companies with a long term positive outcome.

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When shit hits the fan and life sucks because things just are not going right for a time, passion, execution, belief and determination are what pulls you though. If you don't have those items about the idea, then it doesn't matter how the idea came about. As for what historically has been more successful, I don't know of any real metric that defines it. But I'd say from perception I have formed over the years, Natura…

Very true, I have always had the same perception maybe even treated it as an undisputed cliché in every startup pitch.

But as time goes on, I seem to be getting more cynical to the perception and start believing a lot of the ideas are just more successful because of the 'market analysis' done before hand (with the exception of trend-makers, for example AirBnB)

Look at Blippar for instance, the startup that triggered this realization when I heard about it.

Augmented Reality has existed for quite some time, there have been countless applications, from real estate to navigation, yet many of similar start-ups have faded as time went on, but they on the other hand have remained due to targeting a cash rich market (Advertising) even though it solves no problem.

I know the above statement is quite simplistic, and surely it does not make the Blippar team justice for all the effort, strategies, etc that they employed. However, the idea of (what I perceive to be artificial) and yet has been so successful in such a short period of time is a bit of an eye opener.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Both are very likely to fail Applies if the execution and luck of the founders is rather poor - something that will normally be true in all cases. My question focuses on the likelihood of success based solely on the method of idea acquisition.

To a first approximation: zero in both cases. It's not a place for meaningful optimization. See JustinTV.

What does 'It's not a place for meaningful optimization' mean?

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#9
I think the data shows forced ideas are less likely to succeed. The reason is you are less likely to understand the problem (you may or may not have lived it). You are also thus less likely to have any domain advantage over anyone else, or knowledge of any secrets. It may also affect your conviction; you may be less likely to believe in your idea when times get tough, because it is not deeply rooted in your experiences.

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#10
It doesn't really matter because epiphanies dont exist.

People often times think that ideas just come randomly while you are walking down the street. In reality good ideas come when you are executing on something and in the thick of it you see an angle.

People may argue that you need passion for a startup idea, but you alway end up falling in love with an idea over time, not from day one. Arguably if you are in love with an idea from day one its dangerous because you are likely to miss an angle or clear warning signs that you are doomed.

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