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Why the British Are Better at Satire

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Re: Why the British Are Better at Satire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, John Oliver is... British.

His television persona however is very much a construct that owes itself to his time on American cable television, specifically the Daily Show.

It's not too different from the Now Show on (BBC) Radio 4.

Re: Why the British Are Better at Satire

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As a German, I have to agree. My favourite comedians are British, Irish or Australian, not one of them is German. I find most German comedy unwatchable at worst or unfunny at best.

This guy is pretty funny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henning_Wehn Anecdotally, plenty of Germans have a wicked sense of humour - maybe it's a Berlin thing. Not sure their humour would get airtime on TV though.

The only German comedians I can think of that I at times find genuinely funny are political satirists, actually. Maybe because the subject matter simply lends itself better to deadpan humour and absurdism.

Re: Why the British Are Better at Satire

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It does have a downside though. Speaking as a Brit, the kind of generous, unqualified praise that Americans seem to dish out to each other at the drop of a hat (EG You are so awesome, you are such an inspiration to me, I am so glad I have you in my life etc etc) tends to make a Brit think they are being mocked, as no British person would say something like that unless talking to their family on their death bed.

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I found political satire to be a very good way to learn about British politics and a bit of culture before, during and after I lived in the UK. I have looked for something similar in Ireland, and even with a country that has some shared history and a lot of exposure to British culture, it doesn't seem to be able to replicate it.

Not sure what you mean, the Rubberbandits do a pretty good job: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWfZ4Pw0_oE

Re: Why the British Are Better at Satire

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Could it because the BBC (state owned television) effectively nurtures small series and lets them run for far longer than you would have in the US market, which suffers from both viewer and producer short attention span? Essentially, not trying to have a hit for every show results in a far greater overall success rate. If so, the analogy between the TV show market and startup scene could be instructive (i.e., nurture…

While there maybe some truth to that, it's also worth noting that we see the same with all our (British) terrestrial TV networks. Particularly channel 4, which has given us classics such as The IT Crowd, Father Ted, The Inbetweeners and Black Books. Edit: and Brass Eye. How could I forgot Brass Eye when this topic is specifically about satire? Awesome show.

I'll note that Channel 4 has a public service remit in its broadcast license, which, among other things, requires "demonstrating innovation, experiment and creativity".

Channel 5, otoh, does not, and we don't tend to get a whole lot of interesting new stuff from it - they like to play it very safe.

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At times my work has brought me into contact with Americans and in general they just do not get sarcasm and satire. Obviously not true of everyone but in general in my experience, Americans (not sure about Canadians) take things that you say very literally. Take my advice, when dealing with people from the USA, as a default, avoid irony/sarcasm/satire and even humour until or unless you know they will appreciate it.…

Well, for what is worth, many Europeans, like the Germans, are even worse at satire and humor than Americans are.

> Well, for what is worth, many Europeans, like the Germans, are even worse at satire and humor than Americans are.

As a German, I don't agree. I think Germans get satire and humor. I'd say we are in that respect closer to the British than the American (But I have to admit that the Brits are light years ahead when it comes to everything entertaining) It's just that our media outlets are characterized by another German trait: fear of risk. If a program works well enough than nothing is going to change. Just think about how long "Wetten Dass...?!" was on air.

As far as tv programs are concerned I think that "Stromberg" or "Tatortreiniger" aren't too bad.

Re: Why the British Are Better at Satire

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On the subject of Prime Minister's Questions here are some clips showing how rowdy it can get; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1iL2jGZiZw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUqhqsfE0YQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVs1jN85w10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUX9LvYlAps

That said, any politician interrupting with "you lie" as in the example the original article provides for contrast would rapidly find themselves directed in a schoolmasterly manner by Mr Speaker to withdraw their words and apologise for their "unparliamentary" behaviour. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89S1cej9TyU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9hrfc40Lko

I doubt any Brits would consider politician's jibes - especially the scripted ones - a high point of our humour. The best thing that can be said for the schoolboy humour of Opposition questions in PMQs is that it represents a welcome break from the dreadful toadyism of questions planted by government backbenchers.

Re: Why the British Are Better at Satire

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At times my work has brought me into contact with Americans and in general they just do not get sarcasm and satire. Obviously not true of everyone but in general in my experience, Americans (not sure about Canadians) take things that you say very literally. Take my advice, when dealing with people from the USA, as a default, avoid irony/sarcasm/satire and even humour until or unless you know they will appreciate it.…

In America sarcasm in speech is usually heavily signaled via the tone of voice. You don't usually just drop it in deadpan. So it's not so much that we don't get sarcasm or satire but we're used to having it more clearly demarcated. At least in speech - satire is quite popular and common in print.

What you describe is arguably a symptom of people not getting sarcasm. People that enjoy sarcasm have learned the hard lesson that the average listener is oblivious to it, so they talk funny to help them out a little bit.

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At times my work has brought me into contact with Americans and in general they just do not get sarcasm and satire. Obviously not true of everyone but in general in my experience, Americans (not sure about Canadians) take things that you say very literally. Take my advice, when dealing with people from the USA, as a default, avoid irony/sarcasm/satire and even humour until or unless you know they will appreciate it.…

I've heard people attribute the failure to perceive humour to the influence of ancestral, puritanical European emigrants to America. With whom "your word" was your bond. I would lay a very large bet that the "/s" tag is an American invention. I find people pleading for unambiguity in sarcasm on the internet amusing, "sarchasm" being one of the better words invented over the last few decades. (Also an American inventi…

I'm sure you'll win your bet, Americans invented everything.

Re: Why the British Are Better at Satire

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At times my work has brought me into contact with Americans and in general they just do not get sarcasm and satire. Obviously not true of everyone but in general in my experience, Americans (not sure about Canadians) take things that you say very literally. Take my advice, when dealing with people from the USA, as a default, avoid irony/sarcasm/satire and even humour until or unless you know they will appreciate it.…

You can see that if you look at U.S adaptation of Britain or French series or movies, they often lose the tongue-in-cheek humor (if that term makes sense) in the process. The Office U.S became great when they stopped copying the U.K version and I don't think it's just a difference of bleakness as the article states.

I would guess that much of the difference is just in the trajectory of expectations.

There's also probably a survey problem, the American productions that don't take themselves overly seriously and throw in some tongue in cheek humor aren't going to be the ones borrowing their ideas from someone else.

"Burn Notice" comes to mind as a drama series that managed to throw in some humor without making it zany and obvious.

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