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Re: WEB DEVELOPER (DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES)

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Post by georgemcbay »

andrewstuart2 wrote: post #17
carsongross wrote: post #9

Once again, we see the terrible effects of there being not enough technical talent here in the United States. As we are constantly told by the VCs and large tech firms, we need to open up the green card immigration program to allow developers in who will do the jobs that Americans just won't do. Like, for example, being a full stack web developer who does QA, customer support and data scrubbing for 12 bucks an hour w…

I do agree with you, but to be fair, this is only a single post, likely from some company that either has no idea what they're doing or is deliberately interested in exploiting someone in desperate need of a job.

I'm pretty sure nobody who fits a quarter of their qualifications is in desperate need of a job.

Of course, this is almost certainly a situation where the person writing the job description has absolutely no idea what they actually need so they took a very bizarre shotgun approach.

Re: WEB DEVELOPER (DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES)

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Post by harkyns_castle »

forloop wrote: post #52
mantas wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't go that way. Seriously. It's better to offer your services for free to local non-profits than work for peanuts. The main thing is that clients who pay the lowest also treat you the worst. You'll meet a lot of unreasonable demands and overally crappy people while working those very low wage projects. Go to your local non-profits and offer them your services for free. Be clear that you're just learning and that's…

If they pay by the hour, then I don't care if they want me implement odd requests. I need some money. Not much. $3 per hour is more than enough—since I have another source of passive income. I've done a little web design freelancing in the past, so know what to expect. The worst part about freelancing is feature creep, IMO. Which isn't an issue, if I get paid per hour. I've thought it through. I'm in the UK and could…

Surely you are trolling? $3 or pounds per hour in the UK? If you have enough brains to learn coding or a web technology, you have enough brains not to do that. I think I've been trolled.

Re: WEB DEVELOPER (DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES)

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Post by forloop »

suzzer99 wrote: post #48
mantas wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't go that way. Seriously. It's better to offer your services for free to local non-profits than work for peanuts. The main thing is that clients who pay the lowest also treat you the worst. You'll meet a lot of unreasonable demands and overally crappy people while working those very low wage projects. Go to your local non-profits and offer them your services for free. Be clear that you're just learning and that's…

I learned web programming by building an e-commerce site from scratch in Perl the late 90s. When all was said and done, my partner and I split $2k, which brought my hourly rate to $1-$2/hour. But for 10 years I made $55-$75/hour maintaining that thing - which I hadn't really foreseen I just wanted to learn web programming. The point is it can be worthwhile.

Thanks for the input.

I was looking at jobs for Flask/Django devs yesterday. The compensation is quite impressive.

Assuming the job market is similar in a couple of years, I should be fine. And even if it doesn't, I'm interested in creating my own products.

Edit: Grammar.

Re: WEB DEVELOPER (DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES)

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Post by [deleted] »

suzzer99 wrote: post #48
mantas wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't go that way. Seriously. It's better to offer your services for free to local non-profits than work for peanuts. The main thing is that clients who pay the lowest also treat you the worst. You'll meet a lot of unreasonable demands and overally crappy people while working those very low wage projects. Go to your local non-profits and offer them your services for free. Be clear that you're just learning and that's…

I learned web programming by building an e-commerce site from scratch in Perl the late 90s. When all was said and done, my partner and I split $2k, which brought my hourly rate to $1-$2/hour. But for 10 years I made $55-$75/hour maintaining that thing - which I hadn't really foreseen I just wanted to learn web programming. The point is it can be worthwhile.

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Re: WEB DEVELOPER (DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES)

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Post by ryanSrich »

harmonicon wrote: post #33

I don't live in LA so am not too sure about the wage market there. But 12$/hr seems pretty low for any job, let alone a developer position, in the second largest city in the US? I bet some HR person came up with that stack and the corresponding pay.

I doubt this company has an HR person. They most likely stole another job post or this is a complete troll. $12/hr isn't a _bit_ low. It's about $100 per hour low.

Re: WEB DEVELOPER (DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES)

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Post by sejje »

csharpminor wrote: post #56
freyr wrote: post #31

SWI-Prolog? DrRacket? This has to be a joke, right? They're obscure enough that a non-programmer wouldn't likely know they exist, yet nobody with a clue would request that of a web developer. The only plausible explanation I can fathom is that they Googled a list of IDEs and picked a few at random... or that this is a joke.

This actually looks a lot like the product of someone asking several "tech savvy" friends what skills a web developer would need, and then pasting the results into a job announcement. This practice isn't limited to small shops either - I've seen multi-billion dollar companies (not in the tech sector) require a 4 year CS degree for a Wordpress developer position.

I literally can't image the person, tech savvy or not, who would come up with DrRacket here. Or prolog.

I agree with GP that its' just blind googling.

Re: WEB DEVELOPER (DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES)

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Post by innguest »

imjustsaying wrote: post #44
rb2k_ wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The H1B that is mostly talked about when it comes to IT jobs and imimgration requires companies to pay at least the prevailing wage for the area in question. So on average, it should either have wages stay the same OR raise them a tiny bit

The prevailing wage necessarily goes down when the labor supply is increased. This is literally learned on Day 1 of Introduction to Microeconomics.

On what day of class do they prove that "Microeconomics" is a Science? Would you care to demonstrate that?

I'm just asking because you're making an appeal to something in that argument, and I'm curious if you're appealing to a serious scientific field of study, or something passing for one.

Karl Popper said falsifiability is an essential feature of any scientific theory, so it's not weird to ask for a falsifiable statement from "Microeconomics" so that we can tell whether it's a scientific theory.

Mind you, I don't disagree with your conclusion that prevailing wages go down when labor supply is increased. What I am asking is whether "Microeconomics" is a science.

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