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Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by dragonwriter » Tue, Feb 17, 2015, 4:22 PM UTC

mason55 wrote: post #15

ebbv wrote: post #10

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> Eating 200-2500 at 50-60% carbs tends to make me fat-ter than eating 3000 at 20%. This is horse shit. It does not matter what form the calories are in, if you are eating too many you will gain weight. If you eat less than you need you will lose weight. Source: I lost over 100 lbs in 2010-2011.

The two sides of this argument always talk past each other. As someone who lost 100lbs I'm sure you know this but lots of people don't. * Calories in vs. calories out is 100% what determines how much weight you gain or lose. * Your macronutrient ratios determine how that weight is partitioned (muscle vs fat) and have some control over hormones that contribute to hunger, like leptin. The end result is that cutting out…

> Calories in vs. calories out is 100% what determines how much weight you gain or lose.

No, its not. Muscle and fat don't take the same calorie surplus/deficit per pound to gain or lose, so calories in vs. calories out will not tell the whole story of how much weight you gain or lose.

I believe, in fact, that it takes less of a calorie surplus to gain a pound of muscle than the calorie deficit to lose a pound of fat, so that its actually possible to gain weight over time on a net calorie deficit, within certain bounds.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by enjo » Tue, Feb 17, 2015, 4:23 PM UTC

wdewind wrote: post #39

bluedino wrote: post #21

That huge tortilla has so many empty calories in it. Just like the Subway health fad. Jared lost weight eating 6" veggie subs without cheese or mayo. People load up that huge foot long bun with cheese and sauce, an oven roasted chicken breast sub is 960 calories with mayo and cheese. Add in a soft drink and a bag of chips and you're triple what Jared would eat.

Describing calories as "empty" is not really a useful way to think about nutrition. Carbs are not "empty," they are your primary energy source. In fact, as you point out, Jared lost weight primarily by removing fats from his diet, not carbs.

He removed calories from his diet.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by adventured » Tue, Feb 17, 2015, 4:24 PM UTC

ebbv wrote: post #10

kfk wrote: post #6

Calories are a very broad way to measure what we need in terms of food. Eating 200-2500 at 50-60% carbs tends to make me fat-ter than eating 3000 at 20%. I cook most of the food I eat, but I take calories into account very broadly, more narrowly when I diet. Just to say, 1000 kcal might be half day worth of your energy needs on paper, in reality it's much more complex than that. In fact, if you are eating decent food…

> Eating 200-2500 at 50-60% carbs tends to make me fat-ter than eating 3000 at 20%. This is horse shit. It does not matter what form the calories are in, if you are eating too many you will gain weight. If you eat less than you need you will lose weight. Source: I lost over 100 lbs in 2010-2011.

In fact it does matter where the calories come from. It matters dramatically.

You eat doritos, white pasta, white bread, pizza and Mt. Dew. Consume 2,000 calories per day.

I'll eat broccoli, chicken breasts, eggs, and bacon at 2,000 calories per day.

Let's compare results after six months. Can you lose weight by keeping your terrible diet below X calories - good luck with that - but yes you can, assuming you can handle what the hyper carb diet does to your body's sense of being full and energy levels. However we will not have the same results, and you can eat more calories in my diet than you can in yours, because to process my diet burns more calories than yours, and the protein in my diet will aid your muscle retention a lot more than the high sugar diet.

Hint: protein is a vastly superior intake vs junk carbohydrates. 300 calories from chicken are NOT used or processed by the body the same way as 300 calories from a Mt. Dew. Broccoli burns a lot of calories during the process of digestion relative to its calorie count.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by lostcolony » Tue, Feb 17, 2015, 4:25 PM UTC

kfk wrote: post #6

Calories are a very broad way to measure what we need in terms of food. Eating 200-2500 at 50-60% carbs tends to make me fat-ter than eating 3000 at 20%. I cook most of the food I eat, but I take calories into account very broadly, more narrowly when I diet. Just to say, 1000 kcal might be half day worth of your energy needs on paper, in reality it's much more complex than that. In fact, if you are eating decent food…

As a response to some of the other commenters, weight loss is a more holistic thing than just number of calories.

Even if we assume a calorie is a calorie, and that what kind of calorie has no effect on how fast your body naturally burns them (and that's debatable), the body response may be such that you naturally exercise more if you eat a diet geared one way or another.

That is, the poster may find that after eating carbs, especially simpler ones, their energy spikes, but they're too full to comfortably exercise. But by the time they'd be comfortable exercising they're too tired, and they simply don't. Whereas with higher fat/protein, they feel less full, and/or maintain energy levels longer, and naturally exercise more. Or whatever.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by swalsh » Tue, Feb 17, 2015, 4:32 PM UTC

Thriptic wrote: post #59

kfk wrote: post #6

Calories are a very broad way to measure what we need in terms of food. Eating 200-2500 at 50-60% carbs tends to make me fat-ter than eating 3000 at 20%. I cook most of the food I eat, but I take calories into account very broadly, more narrowly when I diet. Just to say, 1000 kcal might be half day worth of your energy needs on paper, in reality it's much more complex than that. In fact, if you are eating decent food…

The calorie range you listed is the difference between a cut and a bulk for most people. There is no possible way you could achieve better weight loss running a calorie surplus relative to a calorie deficit. > In fact, if you are eating decent food and keeping fat% at ~30-40, I guarantee you that you will have troubles eating more than 2500 kcal per day. 2500 calories per day is what I eat when I'm running a cut, and…

> Daily caloric needs are individual.

To that point, when I eat about 1500 a day, and feel fullish but will lose about 1lb a week. When I go to 2000 a day i start gaining weight.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by johnward » Tue, Feb 17, 2015, 4:37 PM UTC

jemacniddle wrote: post #34

johnward wrote: post #28

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Carbohydrates are the most likely to cause an insulin response which causes weight gain. I'm not saying they are "unhealthy" but I think we, in the US, eat unhealthy amounts particularly refined sugars.

Protein can also be fairly insulinogenic.

Right. Protein breaks down to glucose more than fat does (which is why keto diets recommend moderate protein and high fat). Carbs break down the most into glucose.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by CPLX » Tue, Feb 17, 2015, 4:37 PM UTC

lostcolony wrote: post #42

CPLX wrote: post #31

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> an obese person who can run a mile is considered healthier than a skinny person who can't for example Do you have a link or data to support that idea? Genuinely curious, as that doesn't sound right to me.

I don't want to look up a source offhand, especially since it would require some reading between the lines, but, 56% of NFL players are obese (97% are overweight), according to BMI guidelines. Going on the same "that doesn't sound right" criteria, saying they're less healthy than a skinny, sedentary person just because they have more muscle (and possibly more fat, but after all, BMI doesn't distinguish) doesn't sound…

> 56% of NFL players are obese... Going on the same "that doesn't sound right" criteria, saying they're less healthy than a skinny, sedentary person just because they have more muscle (and possibly more fat, but after all, BMI doesn't distinguish) doesn't sound right to me.

It doesn't sound right to you because it isn't correct. NFL players, as a general rule, are not obese. Obesity is an excess of fat, by both the colloquial and medical definitions. BMI is an indication of obesity, which is not the same as a definition of same.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obesity

: a condition characterized by the excessive accumulation and storage of fat in the body

Medical Definition of OBESITY

: a condition that is characterized by excessive accumulation and storage of fat in the body and that in an adult is typically indicated by a body mass index of 30 or greater

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by pacofvf » Tue, Feb 17, 2015, 4:41 PM UTC

As a Mexican living in Mexico, I really like chipotle, I eat one every time I'm in the US, they are the greatest mix of American and Mexican food, still I don't understand why there aren't authentic "Taquerias" (taco shops) in the US, I haven't met a foreigner that doesn't love tacos from our taquerias that you can find in every corner in Mexico City. The closest I ever tried was at a Taco Truck in LA, but that was just one food truck.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by johnward » Tue, Feb 17, 2015, 4:41 PM UTC

wdewind wrote: post #40

johnward wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carbohydrates are the most likely to cause an insulin response which causes weight gain. I'm not saying they are "unhealthy" but I think we, in the US, eat unhealthy amounts particularly refined sugars.

The insulin response absolutely does not cause excess weight gain by itself. Many people are confused about how it contributes to weight gain. The only significant effect it has is behavioral: for some people it can cause you to feel like you need to eat again sooner. But if you stay calorically balanced, for the purposes of weight management, it really doesn't matter how much of your diet is made up of carbs. We in…

So are you saying insulin + caloric surplus is what causes weight gain? It seems obvious to me that many people handle different types of food differently. For example carbohydrates are going to affect a diabetic differently than someone without out diabetes. Another point is that many bodybuilders are now using insulin to gain weight. They already eat a ton of calories but the hormone itself seems to improve the ability to gain weight.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by nilkn » Tue, Feb 17, 2015, 4:46 PM UTC

pacofvf wrote: post #68

As a Mexican living in Mexico, I really like chipotle, I eat one every time I'm in the US, they are the greatest mix of American and Mexican food, still I don't understand why there aren't authentic "Taquerias" (taco shops) in the US, I haven't met a foreigner that doesn't love tacos from our taquerias that you can find in every corner in Mexico City. The closest I ever tried was at a Taco Truck in LA, but that was j…

There are taquerias on virtually every street corner in Houston.

Go deeper into the US, though, and you're right; they become increasingly rare. You can still find gems of authentic Mexican food in almost all sufficiently large American cities, but you have to specifically seek it out in many cases.