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At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by commandar »

jemacniddle wrote: post #27
mason55 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The two sides of this argument always talk past each other. As someone who lost 100lbs I'm sure you know this but lots of people don't. * Calories in vs. calories out is 100% what determines how much weight you gain or lose. * Your macronutrient ratios determine how that weight is partitioned (muscle vs fat) and have some control over hormones that contribute to hunger, like leptin. The end result is that cutting out…

Unless your protein intake is severely lower than 50g/day the partitioning is minimal at best. Also you will never be fully satiated on any meaningful caloric deficit, 40-60g/fiber per day usually increases satiation. What exactly do you mean by 'standard low fat diet'?

>Also you will never be fully satiated on any meaningful caloric deficit

My personal experience is quite the opposite. When I did the whole low carb thing, I was having to intentionally supplement my calorie intake because I was eating 800-1000 calories per day otherwise which I felt was too low (my BMR at the time was ballpark 3000 calories, so figure burning around 3600/day even sedentary).

The only other time in my life that I've had to make a conscious effort to eat enough was when I was on prescription adderall in high school and would sometimes forget to eat for an entire day. Outside of that, I eat, and eat too much, honestly.

I quit the keto thing after about 6 months because, frankly, I missed pasta too much, but the whole appetite suppression thing with it is very real in my experience and is one of the most commonly reported side effects I've seen online.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by mason55 »

jemacniddle wrote: post #27
mason55 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The two sides of this argument always talk past each other. As someone who lost 100lbs I'm sure you know this but lots of people don't. * Calories in vs. calories out is 100% what determines how much weight you gain or lose. * Your macronutrient ratios determine how that weight is partitioned (muscle vs fat) and have some control over hormones that contribute to hunger, like leptin. The end result is that cutting out…

Unless your protein intake is severely lower than 50g/day the partitioning is minimal at best. Also you will never be fully satiated on any meaningful caloric deficit, 40-60g/fiber per day usually increases satiation. What exactly do you mean by 'standard low fat diet'?

> What exactly do you mean by 'standard low fat diet'?

Sorry, I was referring to what has been the standard recommendation for losing weight and being healthy - low fat, low protein, high carb.

> Also you will never be fully satiated on any meaningful caloric deficit, 40-60g/fiber per day usually increases satiation

I disagree a million times over. I'm a 6'1" 190lb male who frequently cuts on 1700 calories and I can feel stuffed all day by consuming lots of lean protein and vegetables. For example two pounds of chicken breast each day would leave me absolutely stuffed with room for another 750 calories for carbs and fat.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by perardi »

jemacniddle wrote: post #34
johnward wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carbohydrates are the most likely to cause an insulin response which causes weight gain. I'm not saying they are "unhealthy" but I think we, in the US, eat unhealthy amounts particularly refined sugars.

Protein can also be fairly insulinogenic.

Protein can be more insulinogenic than carbohydrates. Whey produces a huge insulin spike relative to a fibrous fruit.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by unreal37 »

jemacniddle wrote: post #11
jonheller wrote: post #4

No mention of one of the most unhealthy components of the meal, carbohydrates? I think the average burrito clocks in at around 120 carbs

Carbohydrates are most certainly not 'unhealthy'. Care to cite any sources?

I think what he's saying (although he didn't say it) is that 100 calories of a nice quality meat is better for you than 100 calories of sugar. (And high-GI carbohydrates are easily converted into sugar by the body.)

People fear dietary fat, but it turns out that fat is filling and actually difficult for the body to convert into energy, while carbs are the opposite.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by uniformlyrandom »

jemacniddle wrote: post #11
jonheller wrote: post #4

No mention of one of the most unhealthy components of the meal, carbohydrates? I think the average burrito clocks in at around 120 carbs

Carbohydrates are most certainly not 'unhealthy'. Care to cite any sources?

Carbs are very easy to convert into glucose. A crab-rich meal can easily cause a spike in glucose levels. Glucose gets converted and stored as fat.

Fats and proteins take longer to convert into glucose, and are less likely to cause a glucose spike and subsequent fat storage process.

Carbs are not unhealthy, especially if you can spend the energy immediately. However, it is very easy to consume a large amount of carbs in one go, thus a greater risk for an average person.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by dragonwriter »

mason55 wrote: post #52
jemacniddle wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless your protein intake is severely lower than 50g/day the partitioning is minimal at best. Also you will never be fully satiated on any meaningful caloric deficit, 40-60g/fiber per day usually increases satiation. What exactly do you mean by 'standard low fat diet'?

> What exactly do you mean by 'standard low fat diet'? Sorry, I was referring to what has been the standard recommendation for losing weight and being healthy - low fat, low protein, high carb. > Also you will never be fully satiated on any meaningful caloric deficit, 40-60g/fiber per day usually increases satiation I disagree a million times over. I'm a 6'1" 190lb male who frequently cuts on 1700 calories and I can…

> Sorry, I was referring to what has been the standard recommendation for losing weight and being healthy - low fat, low protein, high carb.

I've never in my life heard anyone recommend "low fat, low protein, high carb" for losing weight and being healthy (as a maintenance diet for people without special needs like losing weight, sure, I've seen that.) Even 30ish years ago, while "low fat" was prominent, a focus on lean protein sources as a main source of calories was common. And, "low carb" to the extreme has been the common recommendation, in various forms, since the late 1990s.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by Thriptic »

kfk wrote: post #6

Calories are a very broad way to measure what we need in terms of food. Eating 200-2500 at 50-60% carbs tends to make me fat-ter than eating 3000 at 20%. I cook most of the food I eat, but I take calories into account very broadly, more narrowly when I diet. Just to say, 1000 kcal might be half day worth of your energy needs on paper, in reality it's much more complex than that. In fact, if you are eating decent food…

The calorie range you listed is the difference between a cut and a bulk for most people. There is no possible way you could achieve better weight loss running a calorie surplus relative to a calorie deficit.

> In fact, if you are eating decent food and keeping fat% at ~30-40, I guarantee you that you will have troubles eating more than 2500 kcal per day.

2500 calories per day is what I eat when I'm running a cut, and I'm usually hungry even after hitting my macros. Daily caloric needs are individual.

People interested in estimating their caloric needs should check out if it fits your macros: http://iifym.com/iifym-calculator/

The calculator will also suggest daily nutritional macros to hit depending on your goals (losing weight, maintaining, gaining weight etc).

I would also recommend http://www.myfitnesspal.com/ for tracking your calories and macros.

Re: At Chipotle, How Many Calories Do People Really Eat?

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Post by dlevine »

My question has always been how accurate these calorie counts are. I always get a burrito bowl with no sour cream, which allegedly comes out to 655 calories. But I'm not entirely sure how accurate that is - I usually have to tell the person "a little cheese," because when I don't, they often put a mountain of cheese atop the bowl (probably an extra 100 calories or so).
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