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Re: Ask HN: MBP or Thinkpad

#21
For most, tbis really comes down to: which OS do you want to run commercial software on, Windows or Mac OSX? Even though you'll try to stay pure linux, there is always that pesky need to open a contract in Word or a photoshop file and you have to dual-boot or vm to do it. I personally prefer thinkpad hardware by a country mile but I chose a Mac for software compatibility reasons.

If I could run commercial software on linux, I'd be on Linux full-stop.

Re: Ask HN: MBP or Thinkpad

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Thinkpads are a large range, from the inexpensive business line to their workstation line, each often having multiple display options. I've only ever had the first Intel Macbook Pro, which really had heat and noise problems and I didn't like a few other Mac things about it. Other than that I've been running Linux on Thinkpads and not had any problems. Battery life is good these days and I'm a Trackpoint fan, once you get used to it, it is precise, excellent for scrolling and you never have to leave the home row. Some of the decisions Lenovo made in the last generation 30 series were alarming, but they seem to be more conscious of the value of Thinkpad's name to experts now and how that's tied in with overall image. They should however find a way to go back to two memory slots, some models only accept 8 or 12GB now, whereas they used to accept 16.

Re: Ask HN: MBP or Thinkpad

#23
I make my living with my laptop and I've used both. I prefer the MBP but I'm a Windows programmer so YMMV.

Yes, they are expensive but they seem to last a little longer than the Thinkpads. I think the Thinkpads used to be a professional class machine but I think they are coasting on their old reputation now. We had several fail (screens mostly) in a 3 person shop where I worked.

At some point, the cost of the hardware pales in comparison to the downtime you would experience if your machine failed. I haven't had any problems with my (less than 2 years old) MBP Retina but I had a few things fail over the 7 years I had the previous MBP. I had a video board fail and I took it down to the Apple store and got it fixed in a day or two. I replaced the hard drives and fans myself as it got older.

Another thing in favor of the MBP in customer facing situations is the screen. For demonstrating GUI's and graphics the MBP screen just looks good - though it was a lot better when they had 17" screens.

Re: Ask HN: MBP or Thinkpad

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Sounds like you really like the new ThinkPads. Linux will run on either machine. One thing to consider (countering my point elsewhere in the thread) while I don't believe Apple products are more expensive when all the features are considered, Apple sure does overcharge for one thing, and that is memory. So, depending on how much memory you want to get, that could make your decision. Linux runs fine in VMs for me on t…

In a Google hangout, the Thinkpad team imagined what their dream classic Thinkpad might be... rumor is that there might be a special edition Thinkpad next week to celebrate 100 million Thinkpads sold.

http://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/2w1tiv/uleadorg_hi...

Re: Ask HN: MBP or Thinkpad

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If you are a developer compare the screens - my T420 is pain for the eyes and the screen ratio sucks for coding. My next PC is going to be MBP or MS Surface Pro. No more crappy screens.

Screen, keyboard and touchpad are super important. It's what you use most in a laptop after all. Lenovo offers different screens for the same models. Be careful to pick the better one.

I found that using a trackpoint and 3 physical buttons has eliminated any carpal tunnel like pains in my hands.

While the touchpad on MBPs is nice, I found clicking a button which isn't a button quite stressful on the hands. Also, moving my hand to the touchpad and then back up to the ASDF-JKL; typing position is uncomfortable having gotten used to just moving one finger to the trackpoint.

The trackpoint does have one major flaw though - drift. Sometimes, it seems to move itself and you have to correct it. Apparently there is some kind of calibration going on, but it's quite annoying and I wish/hope there is some kind of fix.

Re: Ask HN: MBP or Thinkpad

#26

Thinkpad every day of the week, MPBs are horrible to do hardware maintenance on. You can also get static electric shocks from the chassi and they don't have a DVI/HDMI connection

> MPBs ... don't have a DVI/HDMI connection

The 2012+ versions of MBPs have an HDMI connection on the right side

(Source: using HDMI without an adapter now - also using dvi with an adapter)

Re: Ask HN: MBP or Thinkpad

#27

Thinkpads are a large range, from the inexpensive business line to their workstation line, each often having multiple display options. I've only ever had the first Intel Macbook Pro, which really had heat and noise problems and I didn't like a few other Mac things about it. Other than that I've been running Linux on Thinkpads and not had any problems. Battery life is good these days and I'm a Trackpoint fan, once you…

I think there are too many models. I just came across the L range, which is basically the same as the T range but cheaper and slightly bigger, but not by much.

What's funny is that this L range can have 16 GB ram whereas the much nicer X range can't because it has to comply with Intel's requirements (I believe of 8GB max) in order to be labelled an Ultrabook.

Re: Ask HN: MBP or Thinkpad

#28
One thing I rarely see mentioned in these discussions is your proximity to an Apple store. Macbooks are great as long as they just work. But when they stop working, life sucks if you can't walk your machine into an Apple store. Most of us use our machines every day, and it's pretty hard to mail your computer away for a month of service.

I'd consider a macbook more seriously if I lived anywhere near an Apple store. Fortunately I'm quite happy on a Thinkpad (T430s currently).

Re: Ask HN: MBP or Thinkpad

#29
My pick is Thinkpad. As I am a windows user trying to move to Linux Mint TP is the obvious choice. But the main reason is the keyboard which is just perfect. I also love the red joy-stick like device for some quick use. Now for the things I hate about TP. The body is cheapish plastic since Lenovo took it over and its not comfortable when you use the laptop for long. The lack of official driver support for Linux is another this that pisses me off.

Re: Ask HN: MBP or Thinkpad

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post #27

Thinkpads are a large range, from the inexpensive business line to their workstation line, each often having multiple display options. I've only ever had the first Intel Macbook Pro, which really had heat and noise problems and I didn't like a few other Mac things about it. Other than that I've been running Linux on Thinkpads and not had any problems. Battery life is good these days and I'm a Trackpoint fan, once you…

I think there are too many models. I just came across the L range, which is basically the same as the T range but cheaper and slightly bigger, but not by much. What's funny is that this L range can have 16 GB ram whereas the much nicer X range can't because it has to comply with Intel's requirements (I believe of 8GB max) in order to be labelled an Ultrabook.

You know, I had always wondered why, despite having 16GB of RAM in my X230 (and having had 16GB in my X301), the newer X240 and X250 models are capped at 8GB. Knowing that it's an Intel marketing thing certainly clears up my confusion.

Unfortunately, this means that people like me who prefer powerful laptops in a smaller form factor are pretty much limited to the retina MBPs now.

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