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Could driverless cars own themselves?

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Re: Could driverless cars own themselves?

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How about an ownerless house that keeps its own rent money? An ownerless McDonald's franchise? Ownership is not just about money. Driverless cars don't really change anything about the concept of ownership. If you think driverless taxis are such a great idea and you want them to be operated in a non-greedy way, start a non-profit, or start a corporation and make it public so that anyone who wants can invest and share…

Why would this necessarily be true? Several authors have written about algorithmically generated & operated companies or entities (Charlie Stross, the Ghost in the Shell) either as litigation shields or entities which outlived their owners but continued to operate. The idea is certainly odd, to essentially create autonomous and roughly speaking self-sufficient/directed artificial creatures, but it's consistent at lea…

It is basically what DAC and smart contracts are all about. Check out the Ethereum project.

Re: Could driverless cars own themselves?

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Saddling people with debt, then paying them a minimum wage. Effectively they become slaves unable to leave their employer due to dependencies on things such as lunch programs, health insurance, leave benefits. This system of wage-slavery is enforced today through police, lawyers, bankers and politicians working in accidental concert to ensure that you must go into debt (by renting or buying a house), and that you mus…

If we had debt slavery we wouldn't have bankruptcy laws.

Re: Could driverless cars own themselves?

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Perhaps set your sights a little lower first? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53855.msg642768#msg6... There are tons of complications before you get to the point of worrying about machines that might kill people if something goes wrong. :)

The key bit of it is this:

> StorJ is not able to find new hosting environments on its own, due to a lack of sufficiently powerful AI— but it can purchase the knowledge from humans: When an instance of StorJ is ready to reproduce it can announce a request for proposal: Who will make the best offer for a script that tells it how to load itself onto a new hosting environment and tells it all the things it needs to know how to survive on its own there?

The 'AI' doesn't have to be smart it enough to do everything itself, it just has to be smart enough to be able to hire a human to help it. This step could be broken down into lots of mturk-style tasks, each done by a different human:

1) Find hosting providers who accept Bitcoin

2) Evaluate the service provided by these hosting providers

3) Sign up for an account on this hosting provider

4) Setup an account on this server with this SSH public key

You could even deal with legal issues that way - have a retainer with a law firm, and if any issues crop up send them an email.

Re: Could driverless cars own themselves?

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"To be clear, these robots-on-wheels would not be self-aware. ...

But they would be programmed to seek self-improvement in order to avoid becoming obsolete."

No, no, no: we are not going to apply evolution, we will simply let the fittest survive!

Re: Could driverless cars own themselves?

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Would self-owned cars have a need to know the implications of its actions? Legalities?

Will they – like humans – be able to take on small losses in order to survive? Can they be expected to uphold the law like humans are? What if they act as getaway drivers for a bank robbery? Drug mules?

Would their programmers be legally responsible for their illegal actions? Or would they, as the buyers and evaluators of the software, be responsible? Or the programmers of the evaluation software?

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