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Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by lizzard » Sat, Feb 14, 2015, 3:44 AM UTC

If anyone would like to give feedback on how addons are working with e10s (multiprocess) enabled on Nightly, have a look here: http://arewee10syet.com/

There are bugs in progress linked from this tracking site, and so, for example, if you want to help test Greasemonkey or Vimperator or whatever, search down the page, go to the bug, and see if there's something useful you can add to the comments in bugzilla.mozilla.org.

If you're willing to do some testing and go back and forth with developers a bit, it can be really helpful!

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by sethhochberg » Sat, Feb 14, 2015, 3:44 AM UTC

theVirginian wrote: post #61

The worst part about chrome for me is that I can't access my Gmail accounts through Chrome. That's right, I have to use Firefox to access Google's own product because Chrome won't play nice with my school Google Apps account that my school provided us for email. Whenever I try to get to my school account it redirects to the gmail account I used to sign into Chrome - this happens regardless of whether I try to access…

The same problems exist in Firefox, too - I open a private browsing tab when I need to access my work Google Apps account when I'm logged into my personal Gmail account. Google's multiple-account login system is just totally broken, it would be less frustrating if they didn't offer it at all.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by engi_nerd » Sat, Feb 14, 2015, 3:56 AM UTC

sliverstorm wrote: post #284

grandalf wrote: post #204

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This is probably b/c most people at Google use computers with 32GB of ram.

I've run into this with software vendors before. You complain of memory problems; they express confusion. "We never run into memory problems!" Then you discover their smallest development/test machine is 128GB.

Talking with vendors is always great -- those moments when their eyes get wide and they say "You mean you're doing that? We never intended for anyone to do that!" I had a moment like that just last week on a visit to one of our hardware vendors.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by lizzard » Sat, Feb 14, 2015, 3:57 AM UTC

Arelius wrote: post #205

rockdoe wrote: post #47

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Plus Firefox crashing is a huge downside. How do you get Firefox to crash? What does about:crashes say? Did you report the bug?

Is there a better way to report the bug than just use the built-in crash reporter? I still get super sporadic crashes, I think it has to do with having too many tabs loaded.

Yes, if you follow one of the links from about:crashes, you can see the crash report. If there's already a bug on file for it, click on over to bugzilla.mozilla.org and see if you may be able to help out there. If there isn't already a bug active for your specific crash signature, you can try filing one and explain what you think may have caused the crash. Specific steps to reproduce a crash are especially helpful!

Another interesting thing you can do: click through from about:crashes to your crash report. Then click the "more reports" link. You can see if your crash signature is rare or if you have one of the currently "popular" ones. If a lot of other people are crashing with that same signature, there is probably a bug and developers are probably discussing it. Again the most useful thing you can do is figuring out how to make that crash happen consistently and adding steps to reproduce it to its bug.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by prawn » Sat, Feb 14, 2015, 4:05 AM UTC

Morphling wrote: post #223

colin_jack wrote: post #10

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Its been my recent experience too, I keep a lot of tabs open and began to notice Chrome was filling up my memory. Very strange that Google let the situation get so bad. Mind you I find the Chrome developer tools far more powerful and intuitive than those in Firefox which stops me moving entirely.

I hear quite a few people talking how they have 30-50 tabs open, how do people manage something like that? And why would anyone need so many simultaneous tabs open?

I have 5-6 windows open, each with 5-20 tabs. Often it's worse.

Things like: Gmail, calendar, Xero, time tracker, things I've been meaning to read but haven't yet put in a TO READ folder (sometimes hits 30+ tabs), Trello, business plan lists, BitBucket for an iOS project, Shopify partner admin, Font Awesome cheatsheet, 15-20 client projects I might work on in any given week including their admin backends, App Annie, Analytics, trip research (20-40 tabs easily on maps, spreadsheets, itinerary suggestions, Airbnb, Booking.com, hotels, national park sites), 5 tabs currently devoted to trying to work out how to get a National Geographic subscription to work on device and web, and so it goes on.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by detaro » Sat, Feb 14, 2015, 4:25 AM UTC

scholia wrote: post #501

wutbrodo wrote: post #461

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> Such usage is just not possible with Chrome. In your opinion, what makes this "impossible"? I also use a few hundred tabs at any one time (also to the consternation of everyone who sees any _one_ of the Chrome windows I have open) and I'm very happy with Chrome.

How do you see which tab is which? (I gave up on Chrome about 20 months ago for Firefox's superior tab handling, better stability, and being less of a resource hog. Oh, and for not spying on me.)

Not GP, but: multiple windows and intuition. Generally, for ~20 tabs per window I still can tell pretty okay what is what, only large swabs of similar tabs (e.g. 10 ebay product sites) are a bit annoying. A tab switcher that shows the headlines would admittedly be helpful.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by Symmetry » Sat, Feb 14, 2015, 4:25 AM UTC

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #536

Symmetry wrote: post #99

Firefox's performance has improved a lot and that's really impressive. I tried moving back to Firefox but in the end I just prefer the Chrome UI too much. Using a custom search engine on Chrome can be just a matter of a couple of key presses after opening a new tab whereas in firefox I'm either stuck holding down alt and using the arrow keys or switching to my mouse. And adding new search engines is super easy in Chr…

But do you seriously think there is a better search engine to configure it to?

When I'm looking for a video I want to search YouTube instead of Google. When I'm looking up something to do with Haskell I frequently want to use Hoogle instead. I don't have any search engine that I like in general more than Google but I search for things in specific contexts fairly often.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by detaro » Sat, Feb 14, 2015, 4:29 AM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #519

jcoffland wrote: post #245

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I regularly have several hundred tabs open in Firefox with no problems. Some people may think this is crazy or messy but I find it very useful for organizing the various projects I'm working on for different clients and my own personal projects. Tab groups and delayed loading make it all very smooth. Such usage is just not possible with Chrome. I tried to switch to Chrome but couldn't find the features I needed and d…

> I regularly have several hundred tabs open in Firefox with no problems. Some people may think this is crazy or messy but I find it very useful for organizing the various projects I'm working on for different clients and my own personal projects. It still is crazy and messy. For organizing the various projects there are bookmarks and bookmark folders. Having tons of tabs open != organization.

Why is "a list of bookmarks grouped by folders" organized, but "a list of tabs grouped by windows"(potentially with the support of tree style tabs or something similar) crazy and messy?

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by cmon_yar » Sat, Feb 14, 2015, 4:35 AM UTC

spoiler wrote: post #505

jacobolus wrote: post #482

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Worth the performance trade-off for who? For my own use cases, Chrome drags my whole system performance into a gutter and shoots it full of bullets. In other words, it’s not just a “trade-off”, but rather Chrome is completely and utterly unusable, while both Safari and Firefox handle the load with no problem.

I actually have more problems with Firefox's performance than with Chrome's (in terms of processor power), Chrome definitely uses more memory, but it's super fast; firefox is just abysmally slow and can;t handle more than a few tabs. Tried both browsers on Windows 8.1 and Linux, with different machines (home and work computers), too. However, my high memory consumption in Chrome was due to using AdBlock, which is muc…

You should also keep in mind that everyone dosen't owns a high end machine or even a macbook. I have 4 machines at home , maximum specs are 2.5ghz with i3-4gb , and I guess this should be sufficient for running chrome alone , well atleast theoritically. In reality , chrome starts being unresponive , crashing tabs and stuff occurs beyond opening tabs beyond 7-8 and flash player crashes more often. Anddd , firefox is sure late to start ( a longer startup time ) , but idk how it manages to sustain itself throughout. In one of my machine , I have arch installed with bspwm as WM ,and firefox takes about 150-200 mb only ( when I'm aggresively testing it ) , with 7-8 tabs. Chrome , well ...

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by fapjacks » Sat, Feb 14, 2015, 4:45 AM UTC

This has got to be a joke. Firefox is not better than Chrome in the most important capability. Without the ability to precisely see what tabs are causing CPU and memory problems and to destroy those tabs, using more than a handful of tabs at one time makes it totally impossible to use Firefox. I get that the Firefox devs really, really don't want to expend the herculean effort required to make per-tab process management possible in Firefox. But that's really the core of it. I want to love Firefox. I want to ditch Chrome. But the fact remains: Chrome is the only browser with the granularity of control necessary to make browsing usable with my habits.

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