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Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by taf2 »

Meh the issue here is not chrome or Firefox... It's that people still use IE and more people are using Safari with all of its broken features... Both chrome and Firefox are open source and can be excellent browsers. Neither are limiting the content we can access via the web. Both agree to support the web as a platform. Contrast this with safari and IE and you see IE avoiding WebRTC due to an 8 billion dollar purchase of Skype and a safari avoiding WebRTC because of FaceTime... I'm not even sure the state of webgl but can only imagine it's worse...

The two browsers and opera are the only browsers I plan on supporting...

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by jacobolus »

dmix wrote: post #408
zetafunction wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Chrome developer, I agree that process-per-tab absolutely should not be a replacement for fixing bugs. However, I think it's important to point out that process-per-tab is not just for stability: it's also critical for security.

Chrome is way ahead of Firefox in terms of security. It's worth the performance trade-offs. Each website is rendered in a separate process with a sandbox, each with an empty chroot + process namespace + network namespace + tiny seccomp-bpf + syscall whitelist. Chrome also has a stronger sandbox, pioneers better SSL, supports PIE on binaries, uses pepper - doesnt use native Flash plugins, the JIT compiler does randomi…

Worth the performance trade-off for who?

For my own use cases, Chrome drags my whole system performance into a gutter and shoots it full of bullets.

In other words, it’s not just a “trade-off”, but rather Chrome is completely and utterly unusable, while both Safari and Firefox handle the load with no problem.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by SL61 »

hackuser wrote: post #190
moe wrote: post #162

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I left Firefox because it was measurably slower than Chrome at the time (and not by a small margin) and because crashes/hangs would usually take the whole Browser down.

> I left Firefox mainly because it was measurably slower than Chrome at the time (and not by a small margin) I have no idea what your experience was, of course. Many people said this for years while Firefox consistently won or tied in objective comparisons. Having dealt with end-user complaints for years, I've learned to doubt reports that rely on subjective perceptions of things like 'speed'. Sometimes the new, cool…

The reason I quit using Firefox wasn't because pages loaded slowly. It was the overall responsiveness of the interface. Tab management, opening menus, pressing buttons, and even scrolling were (and are) incredibly sluggish in Firefox on my computer. I think most people who say Firefox is "slow" are actually referring to this, and not the things benchmarks measure.

Chrome's interface is perfectly snappy. This is with no extensions on either, and brand new profiles. Every once in a while I go through a free software stage and switch back to Firefox, but I always end up going back to Chrome.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by evolme »

I'd be happier if Firefox got around to supporting 60fps on YouTube. There are a number of small things that irk me about Firefox, but no 60fps is one of the bigger ones. I still use it as my main browser though.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by criley2 »

FilterJoe wrote: post #177
gvb wrote: post #15

I read the article hoping for something insightful, but when I read the paragraph ...a half-dozen tabs that auto-open on launch thanks to the dozens of extensions I've accumulated over the years[...] I had to stop and say "wait, what?" To leverage his analogy that it is like coming home to a new house to find that most of your stuff is already there, it is like not cleaning your house and not taking out the trash for…

The problem is using many open tabs with Chrome. If you use no more than 3 or 4 tabs, Chrome is generally fine. If you use more than that, Firefox has some built-in features to help with tabs such as delayed tab loading and tab grouping. It also has more and better extensions for helping with multiple tabs. Furthermore, it doesn't launch a new process for each tab. In a browser comparison I wrote last month, I includ…

I wish the Firefox address bar wasn't something stuck in 2005.

It chokes on all 1 word phrases, spending many seconds attempting to find webpages for that word instead of searching. Chrome instantly searches.

Also, having a separate address bar and search was novel in 1999, when search was novel.

However, let's get real: a single address bar capable of nearly instantly deciding between search and location isn't a pipedream, it's the competitors reality and has been for many many years.

I have a feeling I'll migrate from Chrome sooner or later because I dislike Google's approach to standards and new features (no respect for standards, passionate desire to pump chrome full of backgrounds jobs and proprietary vendor features).

But I just cannot wrap myself around the fact that the Firefox address bar hasn't been meaningfully changed in what feels like the entire history of the modern web.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by yellowapple »

grandalf wrote: post #446
Argorak wrote: post #371

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We are in the weird situation where even most web application developers run their dev environment on beefier machines than the VMs they are hosting it on.

Great point. I think this is horrible practice and I've seen it lead to lots of slow/clunky code and UX. Next time I start a new team we're all getting Raspberry Pis for development.

I have a Raspberry Pi (albeit one of the new ones) sitting on my desk right now; I should implement that idea :)

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by waxjar »

strange_quark wrote: post #478
waxjar wrote: post #471

I'd like to use Safari (instead of Chrome) but there's a couple of things holding me back. - No omnibar with custom search engines by keyword. I use this extensively. - Closing multiple tabs is annoying, because they resize. Chrome solves this well. The couple of times I used Firefox weren't pleasant. It seems to not work as well on OS X. Granted that has been a long time ago.

> No omnibar with custom search engines by keyword. Safari 8 has this feature. Not as elegant as the way Chrome handles it, but you can search domains you've previously searched by typing in the first few characters of the domain and hitting tab. > Closing multiple tabs is annoying, because they resize. Not sure when this was changed, but tabs only resize once you've moved your mouse away from the tab bar. I switched…

Interesting. I'm not on the latest OS X yet, but that's good to hear. Might be enough to make me switch.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by jannes »

benjaminpv wrote: post #348
jcoffland wrote: post #245

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I regularly have several hundred tabs open in Firefox with no problems. Some people may think this is crazy or messy but I find it very useful for organizing the various projects I'm working on for different clients and my own personal projects. Tab groups and delayed loading make it all very smooth. Such usage is just not possible with Chrome. I tried to switch to Chrome but couldn't find the features I needed and d…

I find that over time I end up with a bunch of tabs whose content seems interesting that grow over time. My working set is off to one side while the 'to read' tabs stack up over to the left. I'd found a big boon for this workflow in the very simple extension "Export Tabs[1]." It's really simple: click an icon on the toolbar and it lists open tabs by title and then by URL. Now when I notice that I've got a real glut o…

I just released a similar Chrome extension called TabAttack[1]. I would love to hear what you think of it.

[1]: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabattack/ginflokh...

Instead of exporting tabs as plain text it exports them as Markdown. And it allows you to download the resulting document with one click as a *.md file, instead of having to copy and paste it in an editor.

It also uses the screen real estate in the toolbar a little bit more usefully by showing a tab counter (similar to what Chrome does on mobile).

And of course there are keyboard shortcuts for everything.

Here is my Show HN:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9047945

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by yellowapple »

vfclists wrote: post #442
yellowapple wrote: post #399

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I, at least, do typically run with anywhere from 50-200 tabs (or more!) at any given time. Yeah, there's some slowdown if you're running on an 8GB machine (I'm typing this on a Macbook Air with a Firefox session with at least 100 tabs open at the moment (SEE EDIT)), but it's certainly way more than I used to get with Chrome before I switched back to Firefox a couple years back (Tree View Tabs being the motivating fac…

Tree View Tabs? Do you mean Tree Style Tabs?

Yeah, that. I can never get the name right :P
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