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Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by metastart »

pkmishra wrote: post #11
nvk wrote: post #7

The biggest issue I have with Chrome is how aggressive it's been about linking Google IDs with the browser. I've lost data twice by bugs related to not having a linked ID. Please Google, understand this; I don't want my browser linked with my Google account.

exactly!! I don't want Google everywhere.That's why I changed the default search engine to duckduckgo. Let's see how it goes.

You should try the Epic Privacy Browser if privacy matters to you but you still want the speed/security of chromium.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by edgarallenbro »

macNchz wrote: post #58
nvk wrote: post #7

The biggest issue I have with Chrome is how aggressive it's been about linking Google IDs with the browser. I've lost data twice by bugs related to not having a linked ID. Please Google, understand this; I don't want my browser linked with my Google account.

This was the driving reason I switched back to Firefox as my main browser about a year ago. It reached a tipping point when I discovered that there was no way to unlink a Google apps business account from Chrome without resetting the browser entirely. Being that I'd never intended to 'sign into Chrome' in the first place (the form looks awfully similar to the gmail login), I essentially rage-quit Chrome and haven't l…

Google's way of handling accounts is infuriating.

I have multiple g-mail accounts. One of them is my primary personal one, and another one I use is a shared account that my band uses for business and soundcloud.

Google makes it hellish to sign out of one and into the other. For the longest time, I had them linked, and my band mates could see my personal e-mail. I don't know if they could get past a log in point, but the fact that its so hard to keep them un-linked and log into one or the other is infuriating.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by geofft »

scobar wrote: post #405
zetafunction wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Chrome developer, I agree that process-per-tab absolutely should not be a replacement for fixing bugs. However, I think it's important to point out that process-per-tab is not just for stability: it's also critical for security.

I found your statement very interesting, and would like to learn more. If you're allowed, would you please provide more details or links to resources that further explain the security issues that process-per-tab resolves?

There's a bunch of good public docs on the Chromium security architecture. One big thing that having a separate process per origin does is that you can use OS sandboxing techniques on each process separately, and even if there are renderer bugs, an exploit can't immediately get to another origin; it provides defense in depth by also requiring a sandbox escape.

Here's an old paper that talks about the architecture (it hasn't changed much at a high level):

http://seclab.stanford.edu/websec/chromium/chromium-security...

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by metastart »

justizin wrote: post #105

I don't have to agree with the author's justifications, I switched back some time ago for primary browsing because FireFox makes a browser for me and Google makes a browser for them . Privacy Extensions always seem to work better in FF because it's produced by an organization, if imperfect, whose values center around privacy and not subservience to advertisers. I've worked in offices of companies with ad-supported si…

Many privacy extensions do protect some privacy on one hand, but then take away some on the other hand e.g. block trackers but collect other information on your browsing to sell (data business model). Using addons is thus risky. Firefox uses your browsing history to target new tab page ads to you. They get nearly $1mn/day from Google. They have done some good things in privacy with Yahoo, but they're overall probably not the best choice for one who cares about privacy and security (chromium is way ahead in security out-of-the-box than other browsers). Try giving the Epic Privacy Browser a spin!

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by nashashmi »

_lce0 wrote: post #441
idbentley wrote: post #422

This article annoyingly misses to mention THE reason to use Firefox over Chrome. Supporting Mozilla.

..plus supporting the open web!!

Nobody seems to remember the original Google/Chrome vision: seemless experience between the desktop and the web. No need for desktop apps. And all web content instantly loads on computer without any internet and browser delay. Just as though the content was always on your computer.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by metastart »

cpeterso wrote: post #346

Firefox also has (experimental) built-in tracking protection without needing to install a third-party extension. The tracking list is based on Disconnect's list. You can activate Firefox's tracking protection by switching the "privacy.trackingprotection.enabled" about:config pref to true.

Interesting! The Epic Privacy Browser has built-in tracker-blocking and a lot more privacy protections, plus it's built on faster, more secure chromium.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by dbg31415 »

When selecting software, I seldom say, "Fuck it, I hate X so much I'm using a competitor." I normally say, "I like Y so much, I'm using it."

For me, I like that Firefox isn't constantly bombarding me with "link your accounts" crap. And I like how Firefox still has the option built in to reset the browser / delete all data on close.

Performance seems like a wash these days, and frankly isn't something I care about even a little -- it's basically a problem solved by adding more RAM and RAM is cheap. 16 GB in my laptop these days... 32 GB in my workstation... who cares how it gets used.

Also I like some of the Firefox plugins over Chrome.

I do like how Chrome doesn't require a restart for plugins... Firefox needs to get on that train.

But I add plugins once a week at most, so it's kind of moot.

Anyway I like Firefox more than I like Chrome, that's why I use it.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by jsolson »

yellowapple wrote: post #413
geofft wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google also happens to be behind the Chromebook effort, so I would be surprised if they don't do any testing on Chromebooks.

Maybe some testing of, say, a few tabs, but I'd be very surprised if a significant number of Chrome devs (or any Chrome devs, for that matter) use Chromebooks for Chrome development ( maybe the Chromebook Pixel, but even that seems unlikely). The Chromebook is optimized toward content consumption; while I'm sure it's possible to do serious programming on ChromeOS (just as it's possible to do serious programming on An…

Why not both?

Many Google engineers (including folks like me outside of Chrome) use Chromebooks as our primary laptops. In my case that also (mostly) makes my Chromebook Pixel my primary computer. I average 25-100 tabs, many of them doing 'heavy' things like editing large Google Docs or running Inbox.

I do have a beefy dev desktop that I access via ssh, although frankly it mostly exists for running emacs for the pedestrian task of actually typing out bits of code.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by Argorak »

grandalf wrote: post #446
Argorak wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are in the weird situation where even most web application developers run their dev environment on beefier machines than the VMs they are hosting it on.

Great point. I think this is horrible practice and I've seen it lead to lots of slow/clunky code and UX. Next time I start a new team we're all getting Raspberry Pis for development.

I'm just using Vagrant VMs for that :). (I work on databases, though)
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