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Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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I regularly have several hundred tabs open in Firefox with no problems. Some people may think this is crazy or messy but I find it very useful for organizing the various projects I'm working on for different clients and my own personal projects. Tab groups and delayed loading make it all very smooth. Such usage is just not possible with Chrome. I tried to switch to Chrome but couldn't find the features I needed and d…

For me I keep tabs open in case I need to go back later. This works except I only end up reusing 20% of the tabs that I opened. What would be awesome is some sort of auto tab closer that assumes you'll never use the tab again after 15 minutes of idle time.

For Chrome look at Tab Wrangler, it does this for you.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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I'm so sick of people obsessing over "bloat" on desktop programs. All the most "bloated" programs (like, say, Visual Studio, or Word, or Emacs, or whatever other example you care to name) also happen to be the most useful, because, hey, it turns out you use some fraction of those "unnecessary" features. "Convenient though it would be if it were true, Mozilla is not big because it's full of useless crap. Mozilla is bi…

I don't think they've really added that many new features(visible to users) to Chrome. I've been using it since it came out and it still looks the same and I use the same features I used to. Maybe I'm wrong and just missed them since they were added so slowly. I guess the Dev Tools have been improved?

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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The problem is using many open tabs with Chrome. If you use no more than 3 or 4 tabs, Chrome is generally fine. If you use more than that, Firefox has some built-in features to help with tabs such as delayed tab loading and tab grouping. It also has more and better extensions for helping with multiple tabs. Furthermore, it doesn't launch a new process for each tab. In a browser comparison I wrote last month, I includ…

I regularly have several hundred tabs open in Firefox with no problems. Some people may think this is crazy or messy but I find it very useful for organizing the various projects I'm working on for different clients and my own personal projects. Tab groups and delayed loading make it all very smooth. Such usage is just not possible with Chrome. I tried to switch to Chrome but couldn't find the features I needed and d…

As a Chrome developer, I agree that process-per-tab absolutely should not be a replacement for fixing bugs. However, I think it's important to point out that process-per-tab is not just for stability: it's also critical for security.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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I regularly have several hundred tabs open in Firefox with no problems. Some people may think this is crazy or messy but I find it very useful for organizing the various projects I'm working on for different clients and my own personal projects. Tab groups and delayed loading make it all very smooth. Such usage is just not possible with Chrome. I tried to switch to Chrome but couldn't find the features I needed and d…

For me I keep tabs open in case I need to go back later. This works except I only end up reusing 20% of the tabs that I opened. What would be awesome is some sort of auto tab closer that assumes you'll never use the tab again after 15 minutes of idle time.

The Great Suspender will remove the tab's contents from memory after a freely configurable time, while still keeping it where it was in case you want to get back to it later. I've found that this works best for me: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/the-great-suspende...

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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The problem is using many open tabs with Chrome. If you use no more than 3 or 4 tabs, Chrome is generally fine. If you use more than that, Firefox has some built-in features to help with tabs such as delayed tab loading and tab grouping. It also has more and better extensions for helping with multiple tabs. Furthermore, it doesn't launch a new process for each tab. In a browser comparison I wrote last month, I includ…

I regularly have several hundred tabs open in Firefox with no problems. Some people may think this is crazy or messy but I find it very useful for organizing the various projects I'm working on for different clients and my own personal projects. Tab groups and delayed loading make it all very smooth. Such usage is just not possible with Chrome. I tried to switch to Chrome but couldn't find the features I needed and d…

I have a whack of tabs open all the time as well, and if I do it in Chrome it just kills my battery where as in firefox it doesn't. (on fedora 20)

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

#336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is using many open tabs with Chrome. If you use no more than 3 or 4 tabs, Chrome is generally fine. If you use more than that, Firefox has some built-in features to help with tabs such as delayed tab loading and tab grouping. It also has more and better extensions for helping with multiple tabs. Furthermore, it doesn't launch a new process for each tab. In a browser comparison I wrote last month, I includ…

Tabs were one of the major reasons I switched over to Chrome. At the time, firefox resized the tabs as soon as space became available, making closing a bunch of tabs a pain. They don't do that anymore, but now they have the tab scrolling feature which adds a gui element if there are too many tabs. Thing is, once you close enough tabs, those elements go away immediately, making closing a bunch of tabs a pain. Biggest…

Ctrl-w kills a tab. Makes that kind of thing completely painless.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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I returned to Firefox from Chrome about 1 year ago due to nagging rendering bugs with linux. Running out of video memory triggered a bug where Chrome would leave a stale buffer of the window on screen. My inputs still got to browser, I could change tabs, scroll, go full-screen it just won't repaint the window. I would have to restart my window manager to get it to repaint. The only solution was to disable GPU rendering but then scrolling was terrible. I know I was pushing the limits of my 7 year old Thinkpad, but I liked my keyboard and 3 real mouse buttons. I moved to Firefox and even with GPU rendering enabled never had that problem.

Months later that Thinkpad's battery died and I moved to working on a modern dual monitor desktop machine. Thinking my problems with Chrome would be gone with plenty of horsepower I discovered a new bug. My monitors are (unfortunately) BGR pixel order not much much more common RGB. It's pretty easy to setup in Cinnamon/Gnome just change 1 dconf key and font rendering is great. Chrome completely ignores this setting and renders fuzzy haloed fonts, plus it not just for Linux, Chrome does the same under Windows. The best workaround is to enable grayscale sub-pixel rendering in chrome://flags but fonts are still fuzzy. From what I found while debugging the problem Chrome used to support different pixel orders but broke it recently.

Once again Firefox renders fonts just fine by reading the pixel order set by the OS. Chrome isn't alone in the pixel order problems, Sublime Text and Atom both suffer from the same problem.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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For what it's worth, one fact and an anecdotal observation: One fact: Currently, Chromium-based browsers suffer from a nasty memory leak: each time one bring up an extension's popup UI, a big chunk of memory is leaked.[1] This alone for me justify using Firefox over Chromium if one has an extension which popup UI must be accessed often. Anecdotal observation: I have noticed since a couple of versions now that it appe…

I would like to understand why what I said above was deemed a nuisance.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Firefox followed Chrome's lead. It also has separate processes for each tab now.

In the stable version? I would doubt that, because my Firefox still freezes.

No. Firefox's multi-process support ("Electrolysis" aka e10s) is only enabled in the Nightly channel. Firefox does not yet use tab-per-process like Chrome. Nightly only uses two processes: one from the browser (the "chrome" process) and one for all tabs (the content process). You don't get crash or security isolation between tabs when they all share one content process, but that process can be sandboxed by the OS and it reduces memory overhead. Firefox will later experiment with multiple content processes, comparing one vs N tabs per process.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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I do the same thing; it's incredibly easy to do with the Tree View Tabs extension. For example, while browsing HN, I'll frequently just middle-click a bunch of article links and (occasionally) their comments, then read them once I have a sizable queue. Same goes for trying to look up documentation to fix some bug in my code; I'll start with a DuckDuckGo search and, suddenly, I have at least a dozen (sometimes multipl…

What is the name of that extension? I searched and get over a thousand results. Thanks!

"Tree Style Tab". http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_treestyletab.html.en

At least that's the one I use.

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