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Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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> Finally, it's still not multi-process (though it's finally getting there.) [2] In fact, Nightly now is by default.

So still not in stable and Chrome has had it for what? 4 years now? EDIT: Ok, downvote me all you want but it's a fact, not opinion. I'd give FF another shot once it's in stable but as it is now I'm not going to waste my time playing on a nightly build.

This kind of major potentially havoc wreaking change takes time. Google also has a much larger team then Mozilla, so I wouldn't exactly rush these things.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Funny, that's part of why I use Chrome. Having all my Google accounts and apps available is a huge feature to me. Plus Firefox crashing is a huge downside. As for privacy implications, there's no reason to believe Google does anything inappropriate, and I rather like having my internet experience tailored based on past behaviour. To each their own I guess.

Plus Firefox crashing is a huge downside. How do you get Firefox to crash? What does about:crashes say? Did you report the bug?

Running many WebGL demos. Whereas in Chrome only 1 tab will freeze.

Also, pretty much anything that's Javascript + WebGL runs like shit in Firefox. Emscripten demos are good though. But Emscripten runs better in Chrome than JS+WebGL in Firefox.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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> Finally, it's still not multi-process (though it's finally getting there.) [2] In fact, Nightly now is by default.

So still not in stable and Chrome has had it for what? 4 years now? EDIT: Ok, downvote me all you want but it's a fact, not opinion. I'd give FF another shot once it's in stable but as it is now I'm not going to waste my time playing on a nightly build.

> So still not in stable and Chrome has had it for what? 4 years now?

Chrome is a much newer browser. At the time Chrome was released, it was the only browser with this design, because it's much easier to do when starting from scratch. Chrome benefited greatly simply from observing the design decisions of Firefox, IE, etc. that had had several years to play out by that point.

In ten years (assuming Chrome is still around then), it will also have similarly antiquated design decisions that make sense to us now, but will be frustrating and obsolescent a decade from now. It doesn't mean that Chrome won't be able to keep up at all with these changes eventually; it just means that it's not great to compare a brand-new browser with one that's been around (and used!)[0] for a long time.

Electrolysis (the name for the project) took much longer in Firefox because they had to essentially retrofit an existing browser that hadn't been designed this way from the start.

[0] If Firefox hadn't had significant market share, it could have made this change much more rapidly without fear of breaking things for existing users. But of course, making sure the browser remains stable for its millions of users is a top priority as well, alongside developing these new features.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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The worst part about chrome for me is that I can't access my Gmail accounts through Chrome. That's right, I have to use Firefox to access Google's own product because Chrome won't play nice with my school Google Apps account that my school provided us for email. Whenever I try to get to my school account it redirects to the gmail account I used to sign into Chrome - this happens regardless of whether I try to access…

I share your pain. One way to get around it is to use the Chrome 'multiple profiles' feature, it lets you switch to a different 'profile' with entirely different cookies, cache, etc., and will let you sign into a different Google account than in your first profile. You can switch profiles and even have different profiles active in different Chrome windows, without restarting Chrome. https://support.google.com/chrome/…

The profile switcher is nice - would like Firefox to support fast switching out of the box. But here Chrome is going a little backwards too. Recent work has made that profile switcher a bit less convenient. Many complaints here: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=403619

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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This has been exactly my experience. I was an early convert to Chrome, and I loved how fast it was, but now I find it slow and buggy. There are some partial workarounds: Chrome does a cache lookup on your history when you type, so if you delete your history, then you get a speed bump. But I'm annoyed that I have to erase my history. If I never erase my history, Chrome gets very slow after a few months of history pili…

Its been my recent experience too, I keep a lot of tabs open and began to notice Chrome was filling up my memory. Very strange that Google let the situation get so bad. Mind you I find the Chrome developer tools far more powerful and intuitive than those in Firefox which stops me moving entirely.

I also agree-- the developer tools in Chrome are pretty critical for me, in my opinion they overtook firebug. Whenever I try to use the tools in Firefox or Safari I end up getting confused and frustrated. I use Safari if I'm on battery/traveling because it is a ton more efficient, and then only fire up Chrome if I need it.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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I love chrome. I have almost no problems with it. That said, I love Firefox and recommend my coworkers use it as often as possible. This is because while I know I am capable in keeping my Chrome running, I know the majority of them are not.

My one major gripe is how poorly it works with Sharepoint. There have been times in the past where I have been working in Sharepoint using Chrome and I can't use a particular function because... well because Chrome? I don't really know why. I just know it works in FF and IE.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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They want to make their little OS inside your current OS, so that's it, they introduce accounts, users, apps, notifications... Meanwhile most people (including me) just want to browse the damn open internet.

To be fair, the trend of the browser usurping the OS has been going on for years. Any browser that wishes to stay modern and competitive has no choice but to leverage the inner-platform effect to a full extent.

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Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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The biggest issue I have with Chrome is how aggressive it's been about linking Google IDs with the browser. I've lost data twice by bugs related to not having a linked ID. Please Google, understand this; I don't want my browser linked with my Google account.

You absolutely must link your Google Chrome install to your Google ID on Windows or you will lose data.

Google Chrome now has a "feature" that will automatically reset your homepage, search settings, wipe all extensions and wipe all extension data whenever it detects an unexpected change to any of your settings files or they do not match up to the PC they are locked to.

The goal was to prevent third parties from hijacking your search engine within Chrome. Things like bundleware installers on Windows that switch it.

The actual result is that all your settings are now locked to a specific PC and will be reset anytime anything changes. As the developer of Google Chrome Portable, this means only your bookmarks move with you as you move PCs unless you're logged in. This also means that even if you backup your Chrome install, if your PC dies, you can not restore that Chrome install on another PC. Your bookmarks will be restored, but you will lose your settings, extensions, and passwords since your profile was moved to a new PC.

This stands in stark contrast to Firefox which is completely self-contained. If a third party bundleware installer hijacks your search engine or homepage, you can simply set them back as they should be. All your extensions, extension settings, etc will continue working as expected whether or not you opt to use Firefox Sync.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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I was one who never left Firefox just because I found Chrome (while faster) to be too minimalist for my desires. I clung to Firefox's ability to be customized and to this day my layout is still reminiscent of browsers I started on in the 90's. That's where my motor memory looks for buttons, etc.

I fully expected a couple years ago to eventually be the last hold-out user of Firefox in a Chrome world but I have watched things turn around. I'll never say Chrome is bad... but I prefer to see a market where there is still browser competition and choice for the user. It looked like Chrome was going to be the next IE with some vast percentage of the market locked up. I'm glad to see signs of some balance being restored.

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