How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 3:24 AM UTC

bcantrill wrote: post #423

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He acknowledges that in the replies, but this particular "idiocy" is not one of tone, behavior, or offense. It is about bad technical policy in the pursuit of ego, which is something that Linus has done several times since. (And he's a brilliant enough kernel hacker that he can work around his own bad policy and still come up with a system that works well, but that doesn't mean it's not bad technical policy. I feel b…

It's funny you should mention that, as that episode from nearly 20 years ago (!!) has come up much more in the last year than it did in the two decades prior. Of course, the reason is not an accident; it's a direct result of those who vehemently disagree with my handling of the Noordhuis pronoun incident. Anyway, your request is entirely fair, and let me be clear that I (obviously?) regret the have-you-ever-kissed-a-…

Post by chris_wot » Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 4:13 AM UTC

scljstcwombat wrote: post #518

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That's not the reason, and you know it. "On the one hand, it seems ridiculous (absurd, perhaps) to fire someone over a pronoun -- but to characterize it that way would be a gross oversimplification: it's not the use of the gendered pronoun that's at issue (that's just sloppy), but rather the insistence that pronouns should in fact be gendered." https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun The biggest issue is t…

I don't care how much anyone dislikes Cantrill, but standing up for Ben about this is a mark of shame. > You took no time to talk to Ben about his position and to talk him around to making an apology and reversing his decision. Whereas just above: > it's that when he was overruled by Isaac some hours later, he unilaterally reverted Isaac's commit. (And, it must be said, sent a very nasty private note to make clear th…

Post by jqm » Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 4:30 AM UTC

gearoidoc wrote: post #243

paulhauggis wrote: post #219

This is the reality of social media. If you offend the wrong person, you will most likely get fired from your job and or get unwanted attention in other parts of your life..all for just expressing an opinion. It's essentially online bullying by people that want to silence you for having an opinion that is different than their own. The ex-Mozilla CEO knows this well. An online bullying campaign was launched against hi…

Replace "offend the wrong person" with "do something really f*cking stupid" - which is what she did - and the outcome seems fair. No one deserves to be bullied or harassed but consequences need to exist to actions.

Post by kaonashi » Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 4:31 AM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #497

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> A robust society can take the jokes. Let me rephrase that: > A robust society requires everyone in the minority to shut the fuck up when anyone in the majority makes them feel invisible > An irony is that many of the people calling offense don't realize their own transgression in becoming part of a self-righteous mob meting out punishment at the speed of thought. There's a difference between pointing out someone ac…

No not quite. A robust society is one which evolves to know limits. You can have stereotypical jokes, racist jokes, etc. But they are part of a bonding mechanism rather than an alienating mechanism. Societies need to allow the free flow of ideas. We can't be choosy about what we consider proper or not, desirable and not. We have to allow everything. I used to be a dreamer growing up and thought why not make these bad…

Post by CamperBob2 » Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 4:47 AM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #524

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What, stop defending people who are being forced out of society by an angry mob? No. I dislike angry mobs, it's kind of my thing.

Not only that. If you take that approach to an extreme one e fs up a hermit or worse a selfreinfocing mentality. I mean no restaurants where a cook, server disagrees politically, no working for companies who have people who disagree with me, no listening to music from musicians who disagree with me.... Go ahead try and see how far people get. Not very.