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The Importance of Anxiety

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Re: The Importance of Anxiety

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All cool and great, but can you now give me something to shut that feeling off? I would be, like, million times happier (and financially stable) if I didn't feel constant anxiety towards things ranging from existential questions to work to relationships, anxiety that reduces me to someone who needs to read HN at work and watch sci-fi shows in huge batches just to stay sane. I'll side with Kant here, anxiety is a feel…

> can you now give me something to shut that feeling off? There is effective medication. Benzodiazepines get sometimes bad press but I've found them very useful to occasionally deal with anxiety.

Magnesium is worth checking out as well, even if you're eating a proper diet (nutrient bioavailability can be affected by a lot of things).

There's been quite a bit of research and interest in the role of magnesium in anxiety, depression and several other common medical conditions.

I take it along with a benzodiazepine and the difference now after supplementing mag. is very noticeable (sleep quality, functionality, anxiety) compared to the benzo alone, though in my specific case some level of mag. deficiency is quite possible, which could explain the change.

Make sure to get a form of magnesium that is actually bioavailable though. The oxide is apparently near useless as a supplement despite being very common, while chelated forms like magnesium glycinate are supposed to be much more bioavailable, and that form in particular doesn't seem to cause digestive problems like some other forms do (the citrate is actually marketed as a laxative if I'm not mistaken).

Re: The Importance of Anxiety

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For the others in the thread looking for a solution to their distracting background anxiety, I'll add my datum that regular exercise (in my case, swimming) has helped immensely. It's something I only picked up well into adulthood.

Re: The Importance of Anxiety

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All cool and great, but can you now give me something to shut that feeling off? I would be, like, million times happier (and financially stable) if I didn't feel constant anxiety towards things ranging from existential questions to work to relationships, anxiety that reduces me to someone who needs to read HN at work and watch sci-fi shows in huge batches just to stay sane. I'll side with Kant here, anxiety is a feel…

>All cool and great, but can you now give me something to shut that feeling off?

Yes. This is what therapy is. It's a professional teaching you tools to deal with anxiety. Find a style (Cognitive Behavior, Humanistic, Psychodynamic, etc) that makes sense to you and then find a therapist who practices it and give them a call. Say everything you said here and see what they say. If you like it, go in for a session or two and see how it feels. Repeat until it feels right.

It's work. Very hard, very difficult, very nervewracking, all-consuming work. But it is so worth it. The anxiety still exists, but it doesn't have power over you. You recognize it for what it is (another data point your subconscious is giving you) and move on. I feel more like me than I ever have before and I'm in control.

You can also medicate - you'll want a psychiatrist for that (psychiatrist is a psychologist who is licensed to prescribe you meds). But that never worked for me, it just buried the anxiety under other strange feelings but never made it go away and usually made it worse cause I knew I wasn't fixing the problem.

Re: The Importance of Anxiety

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All cool and great, but can you now give me something to shut that feeling off? I would be, like, million times happier (and financially stable) if I didn't feel constant anxiety towards things ranging from existential questions to work to relationships, anxiety that reduces me to someone who needs to read HN at work and watch sci-fi shows in huge batches just to stay sane. I'll side with Kant here, anxiety is a feel…

CBT almost entirely resolved my baseline 'mental' anxiety of the nature you seem to explain. YMMV. For the less controllable situational physical "fight or flight" anxiety, however, I've found low dosage beta blockers work very well. Apparently a lot of musicians and surgeons use them for similar purposes, but you'd need to have the mental anxiety sorted out first, I suspect.

I can relate 100% to what the comment above here said. I plan to go see a therapist or similar when I have time to try to sort things out, but I'm so anxious I can't even really bother to figure out where I need to go / who to talk to.

I've used beta blockers in the past for things like speeches, and they are quite miraculous in my opinion. I'd like to get another subscription. In any case, they definitely do not help for longer-term problems in the sense that I will have anxiety for the days / weeks building up to things.

Re: The Importance of Anxiety

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Let's extol the virtues of fear and hate, while we're at it.

Yes, it's normal to get anxious sometime, just as it's normal to get angry sometimes. Someone who never, ever gets angry could be suspected of bottling up their feelings (but we can't be sure). Our emotions aren't under direct voluntary control, so if we find ourselves getting angry, or anxious, or fearful, we must aim not to freak out, or criticize ourselves for it, or become anxious about our anger, angry about our anxiety, fearful of our fear, or any other such downward spiral. Emotions are normal; they are ok.

However, doing what a negative emotion says to do usually doesn't work out as well as doing something else, in my experience. While we can certainly find evolutionary justifications for the things we feel compelled to do under the influence of these emotions, that doesn't mean they are helpful. Fear tells us to flee, to avoid, to destroy, or to deny. I've read that highly successful people who seem fearless do feel fear but just aren't as bothered by it. I think this says the exact opposite of the OP's message, which in this analogy would be The Importance of Fear: It Tells Us When to Run Away. The hard part about fear is acknowledging it and not running away. That is called courage.

Similarly, anger. When you are fighting with your wife (or co-founder), they may say something that you take personally and it hurts your feelings. You are outraged. You strike back, and a fight breaks out. Ok, that's fine, that's normal. But one of you, at some point, has to ignore the anger voice that tells you to defend yourself at all costs, and to attack your enemy's weaknesses. Yes, your partner has become your enemy, thanks to anger.

Anxious drivers don't drive better than non-anxious drivers. I may have moments of anxiety when I drive, such as if I notice a car about to merge into me and I swerve. Perhaps the anxiety plays a physiological role in helping me respond. However, it takes many seconds for the feeling to subside, during which time the anxiety is not helping me, it is hurting me. It also seems naive to identify the feeling of anxiety with the biochemistry of responding to an urgent situation. We could just as well say anxiety is a psychological state which is a harmful byproduct of the physiology.

Re: The Importance of Anxiety

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The article describes how anxiety helped an individual navigate through a social situation... but who's to say allowing anxiety to control your behavior is better then having calm rational judgement dictate your actions?

In the past where people would declare formal duels in response to some verbal insult, anxiety was a relevant response to save your life. But in this day and age where people have much more to gain and very little to lose when being assertive and fearless in social situations, anxiety has become an excessive and prehistoric response that is largely irrelevant to the times and culture we live in.

Here's an example relevant to most men. Why aren't we talking to that hot super model at the bar? What do we have to lose? Nothing. What do we have to gain? Everything. The logic is inescapable but why are we still scared? Because in the past hitting on a super hot model meant dealing with her alpha male partner who could kill you in a duel. The emotions we feel are evolutionary relics from prehistoric times that were designed to keep us safe. These emotions are now largely irrelevant because murder and combat in our society is both frowned upon and considered a crime.

Re: The Importance of Anxiety

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Let's extol the virtues of fear and hate, while we're at it. Yes, it's normal to get anxious sometime, just as it's normal to get angry sometimes. Someone who never, ever gets angry could be suspected of bottling up their feelings (but we can't be sure). Our emotions aren't under direct voluntary control, so if we find ourselves getting angry, or anxious, or fearful, we must aim not to freak out, or criticize ourselv…

Another analogy: Anxiety is like dirt, or the clutter in your house. You'll find bits of dirt on the subway platform. Some people's houses are awash in clutter. We often seek to get rid of it, but it's not evil. It's not important, either, in the sense of functional utility. Sure, you can construct arguments about how it's ultimately necessary -- an Earth without dirt, for example, sounds rather sterile; does it have no trees? Where does the oxygen come from? -- but if there is anything unhealthy about your attitude towards dirt, I don't think emphasizing the importance of dirt in your daily life is likely to help.

Mainly, we're stuck with it.

Re: The Importance of Anxiety

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I'd replace anxiety with introspection in this article and it sounds a lot better. I wouldn't necessarily consider anxiety to be a virtue; for many, it's a crippling affliction.

The examples in the article are really more about an introspective approach to life. About really considering our actions and the behaviour of the people around us. Anxiety as a disorder is more about being too introspective, rather than being introspective in itself.

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