Ever notice how most "Social Justice Warriors" are women who love to stir up drama? As the NYTimes article states, this incident was highly entertaining to many people.
How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life
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Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life
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> The ex-Mozilla CEO knows this well. An online bullying campaign was launched against him and he was forced to quit. Hahahahahahaha no. Eich paid money to political campaigns to ensure that some of his own employees and fellow citizens would not have basic human rights. Then, he refused to apologize for it and dodged the question when asked if he would do it again. That's not "expressing an opinion," that's nearly s…
Just curious why this is getting downvoted. Are people actually buying the whole "Eich is a victim because as a white multimillionaire he lost his job because he cared deeply about taking away the rights of others"...?
I was a little rude there, but people claiming that Eich is the fricking victim here really sets me off.
The downvotes from cowards and/or homophobes do crack me up though. This is a discussion forum, folks. If you disagree, let's discuss it!
Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life
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He acknowledges that in the replies, but this particular "idiocy" is not one of tone, behavior, or offense. It is about bad technical policy in the pursuit of ego, which is something that Linus has done several times since. (And he's a brilliant enough kernel hacker that he can work around his own bad policy and still come up with a system that works well, but that doesn't mean it's not bad technical policy. I feel b…
It's funny you should mention that, as that episode from nearly 20 years ago (!!) has come up much more in the last year than it did in the two decades prior. Of course, the reason is not an accident; it's a direct result of those who vehemently disagree with my handling of the Noordhuis pronoun incident. Anyway, your request is entirely fair, and let me be clear that I (obviously?) regret the have-you-ever-kissed-a-…
>it's a direct result of those who vehemently disagree with my handling of the Noordhuis pronoun incident.
Could it be because of this recent OSNews article bringing it to a bunch of people's attention?
http://www.osnews.com/story/28261/_Have_you_ever_kissed_a_gi...
Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life
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> The ex-Mozilla CEO knows this well. An online bullying campaign was launched against him and he was forced to quit. It's kind of weird to think that Brendan Eich is still active in the web standards community, even though he's been forced to leave Mozilla. A man without a company.
Given his past contributions to the web, it's unsurprising that he still participates and people listen to him.
The people who fought for Eich's departure like to downplay just how much knowledge he carries around in his head. I think deep down they're afraid to admit just how much damage they did to Mozilla, Firefox and the entire open source community. They still think they did a good thing.
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Yeah, sure, if you're privately a bigot, how is anyone to know? But this was the CEO of a company unapologetically supporting a hate group aimed at many of his own employees. Then people have the balls to claim he was "bullied" out of his position as head of a major Internet company? This isn't crazy programmer Ed going on about some conspiracy theory, this is the CEO of your company supporting hate directed at you a…
>But this was the CEO of a company unapologetically supporting a hate group aimed at many of his own employees. There likely wouldn't have been a Mozilla corp or org if he hadn't founded the company and as Mozilla grew he did nothing to hamper its growth into a highly diversity-friendly company. Privately he had issues, likely religious, about the definition of marriage and this was, culturally, a mainstream view at…
Aw, I already answered that one!
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I'm not aware of any countries that are majority-atheist (maybe Norway?) Any references for that?
The classic, easy, example is China. EDIT: Apparently that's a little contentious -- only 47% self-declared atheist ( http://redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/RED-C-pres... ), but given that 9% of those surveyed did not respond to the question, the majority of respondents to this specific survey question did self-proclaim themselves as atheists.
Aren't most religions prohibited in China, though? Those people are basically answering the survey under duress.
Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life
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in for example Eich's case how do you pull him aside and say "stop being a dick by donating to hate, and then trying to run a diverse company?"
Just because somebody's idea of diversity is different from yours doesn't make them hateful, it just makes them different. It's ironic that this is lost on people who argue the most loudly for inclusiveness.
No, it doesn't make them "different," it makes them hateful. You're carrying water for some people that will go down in history next to the KKK. Stop it.
Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life
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It's funny you should mention that, as that episode from nearly 20 years ago (!!) has come up much more in the last year than it did in the two decades prior. Of course, the reason is not an accident; it's a direct result of those who vehemently disagree with my handling of the Noordhuis pronoun incident. Anyway, your request is entirely fair, and let me be clear that I (obviously?) regret the have-you-ever-kissed-a-…
That's not the reason, and you know it. "On the one hand, it seems ridiculous (absurd, perhaps) to fire someone over a pronoun -- but to characterize it that way would be a gross oversimplification: it's not the use of the gendered pronoun that's at issue (that's just sloppy), but rather the insistence that pronouns should in fact be gendered." https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun The biggest issue is t…
I don't care how much anyone dislikes Cantrill, but standing up for Ben about this is a mark of shame.
> You took no time to talk to Ben about his position and to talk him around to making an apology and reversing his decision.
Whereas just above:
> it's that when he was overruled by Isaac some hours later, he unilaterally reverted Isaac's commit. (And, it must be said, sent a very nasty private note to make clear that this was no accident.)
I don't know why you thought you were privy to all the communication that went on in this situation, but that sentence ought to indicate to you that you are not, in fact, omniscient.
The fact that Ben remains absolutely unrepentant on this issue, and sees "I was following the project's rules to the letter on an issue which I myself dismissed as trivial" as a valid excuse should be to his lasting shame, and you should be ashamed of perpetuating it.
Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life
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The classic, easy, example is China. EDIT: Apparently that's a little contentious -- only 47% self-declared atheist ( http://redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/RED-C-pres... ), but given that 9% of those surveyed did not respond to the question, the majority of respondents to this specific survey question did self-proclaim themselves as atheists.
Aren't most religions prohibited in China, though? Those people are basically answering the survey under duress.
Naw -- not really illegal; although it's probably politically complicated to be religious: "No state organ, public organization or individual may compel citizens to believe in, or not to believe in, any religion; nor may they discriminate against citizens because they do, or do not believe in religion." (Article 45 of their 1978 Constitution).
Even today -- decades after the state/social pressures against religious affiliation disappeared -- most former soviet states still have very large atheist populations.
Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life
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Just because somebody's idea of diversity is different from yours doesn't make them hateful, it just makes them different. It's ironic that this is lost on people who argue the most loudly for inclusiveness.
No, it doesn't make them "different," it makes them hateful. You're carrying water for some people that will go down in history next to the KKK. Stop it.
What, stop defending people who are being forced out of society by an angry mob? No. I dislike angry mobs, it's kind of my thing.