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How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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That may sound hateful or angry or whatever, but here goes...

> I was among the first people to alert social media. (This was because Gill always gave my television documentaries bad reviews, so I tended to keep a vigilant eye on things he could be got for.) Within minutes, it was everywhere.

Is this really what we've come to? We have all this technological progress so you could stalk someone you're butthurt over and try to get at them?

> Amid the hundreds of congratulatory messages I received

So that others who have nothing better to do could pile on this?

> Still, in those early days, the collective fury felt righteous, powerful and effective. It felt as if hierarchies were being dismantled, as if justice were being democratized.

Wake up! Who ever gave a damn about some tweet? Be it corrupt mega-corp or a media figure.

> I didn’t want people looking at me

Well, now that's a cool story you better tell everyone on twitter :)

> The woman had, in fact, overheard the joke. She considered it to be emblematic of the gender imbalance

Ah, nothing like snooping in on the conversation that isn't meant for your damn ears and then getting all butthurt about it.

>

It's not the tweet that is stupid, it's people using the platform in such ways and maybe even the platform itself. Come on, we can do better than that after all this time.

TL;DR She got exactly what she deserved in this context, but that doesn't mean that community is some righteous force - quite the contrary, it's simply poisonous.

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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post #17

I'd like to think that as the world gets more saturated in constant social media and sharing, that we'd have a higher tolerance for things...in this case, a joke that if a person told it to you, with the right tone of voice, it'd be funny...imagine Louis CK making that quip. But no, I doubt it...I think it's more a physical limitation of our brains...we just don't have the brain system designed to adequately consider…

I think it is a mistake to think that most people were actually offended and didn't get the joke. There are definitely much more offensive things out on the internet than the examples in the article. I think it's much more likely that people revel in seeing someone go down; the article clearly alluded to this sadistic aspect I think. As soon as there is enough critical mass for a public shaming, people will jump on t…

It merely illustrates the absolutely craven nature of companies. Her employer is basically a coward.

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

#224

Comedians say much worse on a daily basis and rarely catch any flack. Are regular people not allowed to make jokes?

Comedians have a social context for their jokes -- the presumption of anyone looking at the content of what they say is to look for a second or ironic meaning first. Justine is just a normal person, so the presumption of the mob is that the literal meaning of what she says is what she meant to communicate.

There are a lot of people who are hungry enough to signal how righteous they are to their peers that they'll immediately jump to the least-charitable interpretation of anything anyone says, and Justine was their target for 24 hours.

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post #126

On a tangental meta point: this is a good, solid piece of reportage [1] which is increasingly uncommon. The author talked to a number of people over a long period of time and uncovered subtleties that typically are ignored these days. A particularly nice touch was to use of a relatively recent historical reference from the mid 18th century. Mob justice and public shaming go back millennia and it would have been easy…

It's b/c it's the NYTimes-- they actually do reporting & journalism. There's seems to be a lot of piggybacking/freeloading off of original reporting. I was involved with a project that got a big splashy NYTimes write up and it was astonishing in the coming days to see how many joker press outlets basically crimped off the Times' original reporting. They'd include a link and all that but they'd lift the juciest quotes…

This has been a standard practice with journalism for a long, long time.

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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French guy here. This article only speak about employees in american company getting fired about some data shared on the web. But I would be curious to know what happened to people who faced the same situation working in continental european companies. It would be surprising if people would lost their jobs so easily. Either because I think it's culturally better accepted for private people (I mean not public figures)…

This is interesting. I wonder where the line is drawn, though (surely there are some ways to get fired by saying something in Europe).

I believe that it will soon become necessary for some sort of online bill of rights which protects one's identit(y,ies) and privacy.

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, absolutely not, and I'm sad that anyone would think I'm advocating that, because it means I wrote unclearly. My argument is that distasteful but not disallowable means should not scare us off from meaningful ends. Disallowable means are, as always, disallowable. Here's an example of a disallowable means: come up with trumped-up excuses using forged evidence to fire all the powerful white men on the grounds that o…

but really what we see with these crusades by SJW's is just an opportunity for bullying, usually by people who were once bullied and now want to get their own back. A lot of it is bandwagon jumping by the majority of people, who may or may not have a dog int he fight, but just want to cause a fuss. It is these people that call the employers, DDOS employers websites etc and then everyone lumps them all together as SJW…

That would be extremely nice, if it worked. Then the entire question about distasteful means wouldn't come up, which would be better for everyone, because distasteful means are still distasteful.

Unfortunately, that's not how changing minds works, in practice.

http://www.contralbum.com/blog/2015/2/5/political-correctnes...

See the section starting "The second great flaw...." (And yes, I get the irony of trying to convince you of this by cordially linking you to some random blog post that lists research.)

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

#228

1) It's an offensive tweet. Whether you intend something to be offensive or not doesn't make it any less offensive. 2) It's very easy to pass off casual racism as a joke or a misunderstanding of the medium after it blows up in your face.

> It's an offensive tweet.

It was offensive to you. It also wasn't offensive to some other people. Offensiveness isn't an objective property; the fact that something offended you doesn't make it "an offensive thing".

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post #181

"The woman who took the photograph, Adria Richards, soon felt the wrath of the crowd herself. The man responsible for the dongle joke had posted about losing his job on Hacker News, an online forum popular with developers. This led to a backlash from the other end of the political spectrum. So-called men’s rights activists and anonymous trolls bombarded Richards with death threats on Twitter and Facebook." Wow, this…

I wouldn't say that HN "is" a bunch of MRA losers; HN is a big place, and there are a lot of different types of people on it. But there are a bunch of MRA losers on HN. How many, it's hard to tell; maybe a few that are very vocal, maybe a few with many sockpuppets, maybe a lot. If you ever get involved in a thread about any issue about women in technology, programs for encouraging women in technology, or the like, yo…

What's an "MRA loser"?

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

#230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is a mistake to think that most people were actually offended and didn't get the joke. There are definitely much more offensive things out on the internet than the examples in the article. I think it's much more likely that people revel in seeing someone go down; the article clearly alluded to this sadistic aspect I think. As soon as there is enough critical mass for a public shaming, people will jump on t…

It merely illustrates the absolutely craven nature of companies. Her employer is basically a coward.

I have some sympathy for a company whose Senior Director of Corporate Communications instigates a massive PR disaster by joking about Africans having AIDS on Twitter.
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