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How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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This is probably true, but it's shameful. The consequences of making a joke that doesn't land shouldn't be this severe. For what it's worth, nor should overreacting to one. I think Adria Richards was in every possible way, wrong. We're all wrong quite often though. She didn't deserve a tiny fraction of the shit that came her way either.

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Aren't all these Twitter sh*tstorms over within a few days, or in the worst case, weeks? People should just sit them out and not panic / call their lives ruined. Seems to work even for politicians.

Pax Dickinson is still unemployed a year later. People's names become toxic. Note that the Donglegate guy wouldn't let his name be used, and another woman in the article wouldn't do a followup interview.

Didn't he create a startup? If so, he is not unemployed.

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If you are a relatively famous person who has an audience/market who supports you despite (or even because of) an obnoxious persona or offensiveness to some people, then you are relatively immune to this kind of thing. Certainly, an "edgy" comic, or political commentator, can get away with a lot more than a CTO or CEO, even if the content is approximately the same.

The danger comes when you misunderstand your core audience, or alienate them. If you go off brand at the same time as you write something dangerous, you risk offending your own audience. That can be deadly.

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She's a victim because the consequences were completely out of proportion to her transgression.

Really? She mocked a whole nation, and used a disease that has killed over a million people as a joke in a public forum.

You should, in general, stay away from the internet -- especially twitter -- people make these joke things about "serious" stuff all the time.

Gotta thicken up that skin, friend.

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Two things: Don't be too clever. People trip over themselves to feel offended. Two, you really don't have freedom of speech when you can get mugged by being obnoxious online. Not being malicious -just obnoxious. Yes all the tweets quoted in the article were obnoxious and leveraged stereotypes but I don't think people should be flogged for being like that. I remember all the obnoxious Polish jokes growing up. They wer…

Over-reaction or not, freedom of speech does not guarantee a receptive audience.

It doesn't but one should expect some maturity from society. I think it'll take a generation maybe less but people will learn and understand it as an extension of self albeit diffused.

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So far, what I see is: "Don't use Twitter." And on the smaller side is "Don't upload shit to social media."

This type of mass shaming existed before twitter. The Steve Bartman incident[0] comes to mind. The difference appears to be that it used to only be possible for such things to snowball when the media or a celebrity pushed the issue into the spotlight. Nowadays, twitter allows for quick and easy mass shaming by anyone and everyone. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bartman_incident

Thank you. Sometimes the leads you get here give us gems like this:

"The loose ball was snatched up by a Chicago lawyer and sold at an auction in December 2003. Grant DePorter purchased it for $113,824.16 on behalf of Harry Caray's Restaurant Group. On February 26, 2004, it was publicly detonated by special effects expert Michael Lantieri.

In 2005, the remains of the ball were used by the restaurant in a pasta sauce."

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"The woman who took the photograph, Adria Richards, soon felt the wrath of the crowd herself. The man responsible for the dongle joke had posted about losing his job on Hacker News, an online forum popular with developers. This led to a backlash from the other end of the political spectrum. So-called men’s rights activists and anonymous trolls bombarded Richards with death threats on Twitter and Facebook." Wow, this…

I don't think HN is a bunch of MRA losers, but it's certainly closely connected to places that are. (as in, lots of people participate in HN who also participate in places that could be characterized as such)

So I'd say it's MRA-loserville-adjacent.

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As dislikable as the tweet's content is, it's truly frightening how quickly an incredibly large pitchforks-and-torches mob can come to life via the internet.

> As dislikable as the tweet's content is

Did you read the article? By thinking for a few seconds, the point of the tweet is obviously not racist. Not a smart tweet, in retrospect, but. Here's her explanation from the article:

> I thought there was no way that anyone could possibly think it was literal. (...) Living in America puts us in a bit of a bubble when it comes to what is going on in the third world. I was making fun of that bubble.

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

She's a victim because the consequences were completely out of proportion to her transgression.

Really? She mocked a whole nation, and used a disease that has killed over a million people as a joke in a public forum.

She was being ironic - making fun of herself by pretending to be a ditzy, entitled white girl who though that she could never get AIDS. Unfortunately, in her absence, people took her literally and assumed she was serious.

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Outside of offending people, how exactly did her tweet impact anyone else?

Offending people who might have lost a close family member to AIDS you mean?

There's no use in trying to explain. I'm being downvoted to hell for trying to explain why racist jokes are not ok, with replies like "this is just an off-color joke" or "do you know what racism means?" . I'm pretty dissapointed in this community, been here for lots of years and thought that generally speaking people in here would be more open-minded. But the minute you start to explain why making jokes about one's race or incurable disease is not ok you realize you're in the wrong group.
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