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How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

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post #15

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It looked like a harmless joke to me. wtf is wrong with ppl.

Racist jokes are never harmless.

Please point out the racism in her satire-laden joke about how america perceives the rest of the world?

Am I the only one that "got" what she was saying?

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

#32
post #5

How is she is victim here? How is Twitter bad here? She made two racist comments in 1 tweet on her own will. That is not something that should be taken lightly, no matter what the platform. EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not commenting on whether firing her was fair or not, but rather how her completely intentional tweets makes Twitter the bad guy.

Exactly. You get to pay for your very stupid mistakes, especially those that affect other people (like this lady's tweet did).

She paid about a hundred thousand times over for that mistake. Is that fair? Is that justice? No, it's a mob lynching. This is indefensible.

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"The woman who took the photograph, Adria Richards, soon felt the wrath of the crowd herself. The man responsible for the dongle joke had posted about losing his job on Hacker News, an online forum popular with developers. This led to a backlash from the other end of the political spectrum. So-called men’s rights activists and anonymous trolls bombarded Richards with death threats on Twitter and Facebook."

Wow, this almost makes it sound as if HN is a bunch of MRA losers :( A pity it's so sloppily worded (unless it's true, in which case, ugh).

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

#34
post #2

So far, what I see is: "Don't use Twitter." And on the smaller side is "Don't upload shit to social media."

This type of mass shaming existed before twitter. The Steve Bartman incident[0] comes to mind. The difference appears to be that it used to only be possible for such things to snowball when the media or a celebrity pushed the issue into the spotlight. Nowadays, twitter allows for quick and easy mass shaming by anyone and everyone. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bartman_incident

Well, as a sometimes Cubs fan, I have to say Steve deserved what he got.

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

#35

How is she is victim here? How is Twitter bad here? She made two racist comments in 1 tweet on her own will. That is not something that should be taken lightly, no matter what the platform. EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not commenting on whether firing her was fair or not, but rather how her completely intentional tweets makes Twitter the bad guy.

She was mocking racism, people confused it for racism. The reactionaries remind me of the people who wrecked this Banksy: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/oct/01/banksy-m...

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#36
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. You get to pay for your very stupid mistakes, especially those that affect other people (like this lady's tweet did).

Outside of offending people, how exactly did her tweet impact anyone else?

Offending people who might have lost a close family member to AIDS you mean?

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

#37

How is she is victim here? How is Twitter bad here? She made two racist comments in 1 tweet on her own will. That is not something that should be taken lightly, no matter what the platform. EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not commenting on whether firing her was fair or not, but rather how her completely intentional tweets makes Twitter the bad guy.

I don't like the extremism behind the idea that we should fire someone from their job over a off-color joke which is intended for a small audience, but may be overheard accidentally by others.

That sort of absolutism of policing thought just doesn't end well, ever.

To translate it away from Twitter: imagine you're at a public space, such as a mall, and you happen to be walking by a table of people leaning together just as one makes a racist joke.

Is your response a) give them a sort of disgusted look and go on about your day or b) call everyone you know and repeat the joke to them, along with the location of the table in hopes you can whip up a mob of people to shout obscenities at them, continuing to follow them around for the day, and eventually form a mob outside of their office building, continuing to shout at them until their employer fires them?

Most of us would go with 'a' and not 'b', because we realize that what happened doesn't really fit the extreme response. It's interesting to me that people feel that more extreme response is okay, as long as they don't feel personally too involved with it (eg, they can shout remotely).

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#38
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You missed the bigger point, then: Mob justice is a barbaric and ugly thing; stop patting yourself on the back and thinking you're a good person for being a part of it.

This is not about justice, it's about a bad human being getting what she deserved. When you're an open racist you are a bad human being.

"bad human being."

I'm sorry, but none of us are capable of judging the entirety of a human being as "bad" or not, based on a few of their tweets.

Cast the first stone, and all of that.

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

#39

As dislikable as the tweet's content is, it's truly frightening how quickly an incredibly large pitchforks-and-torches mob can come to life via the internet.

The tweet is clearly a quip about western white privilege. Her tweet caused no harm, but the blithering mass of bullying social justice warriors continually ruins lives.

Re: How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco’s Life

#40

How is she is victim here? How is Twitter bad here? She made two racist comments in 1 tweet on her own will. That is not something that should be taken lightly, no matter what the platform. EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not commenting on whether firing her was fair or not, but rather how her completely intentional tweets makes Twitter the bad guy.

I think the issue is that the response is disproportionate to the sin. Littering is socially undesirable but randomly executing 1 out of every 10,000 people who litter is probably excessive. In the same way, racist tweets are undesirable, but lynching randomly people who make them seems unproductive and does nothing more than fill people's want for something to self-righteous about.
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